Donald Trump and Wharton

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's very common for non-rich people to attend a community college and then transfer to a more respectable school, for financial reasons.

Of course, Donald Trump is from a wealthy family, and Fordham isn't cheap, so he doesn't have that excuse.

Obama attended private school his whole life. Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's very common for non-rich people to attend a community college and then transfer to a more respectable school, for financial reasons.

Of course, Donald Trump is from a wealthy family, and Fordham isn't cheap, so he doesn't have that excuse.

Obama attended private school his whole life. Give me a break.

So did Bush.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to agree with this article. Trump is a phony conservative and a moron.

You might be forgiven for thinking from this, as I did, that Trump has an MBA from the Wharton School of Business. He doesn't.

He actually has an undergraduate degree for the two years he spent there. Yes, I said two years. Trump was not able to get into the Wharton School (undergraduate) when he applied to college. He spent his first two years at Fordham University – a respectable school, but nowhere near as rigorous as Wharton (either undergraduate or graduate). The circumstances of his admissions are not clear, but the Daily Caller suggested that Trump may have used a family connection to gain admittance.

So instead of saying, "I'm smart because I went to Wharton!" Trump should be saying, "I'm smart because I went to Fordham for two years, and then Wharton for my final two years!"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/what_does_donald_trump_mean_when_he_says_i_went_to_wharton.html

So Obama is a phony for saying he graduated from Columbia? I never heard Obama said I went to occidental college for two years because I was not able to get into Columbia. Maybe Obama should release his transcripts and settle this.

Obama has often talked about his time at Occidental. He's written about it in his books, he's talked about it in interviews etc.

"In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Mr Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother criticized him for being a ‘loafer’.

He also describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ‘indifferent’ and called himself a ‘bum’ who was notorious for partying.

A November 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator revealed the SAT average for the transfer intake that year.

It stated: ‘On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.’

President Obama, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100."

1100 is pretty low.

that is shocking

You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's very common for non-rich people to attend a community college and then transfer to a more respectable school, for financial reasons.

Of course, Donald Trump is from a wealthy family, and Fordham isn't cheap, so he doesn't have that excuse.

Obama attended private school his whole life. Give me a break.

2016-2017 costs for attending Occidental College:

Tuition: $50,492
Room & Board: $14,460
Required Fees: $578
Total: $65,530

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Anonymous wrote:I have to agree with this article. Trump is a phony conservative and a moron.

You might be forgiven for thinking from this, as I did, that Trump has an MBA from the Wharton School of Business. He doesn't.

He actually has an undergraduate degree for the two years he spent there. Yes, I said two years. Trump was not able to get into the Wharton School (undergraduate) when he applied to college. He spent his first two years at Fordham University – a respectable school, but nowhere near as rigorous as Wharton (either undergraduate or graduate). The circumstances of his admissions are not clear, but the Daily Caller suggested that Trump may have used a family connection to gain admittance.

So instead of saying, "I'm smart because I went to Wharton!" Trump should be saying, "I'm smart because I went to Fordham for two years, and then Wharton for my final two years!"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/what_does_donald_trump_mean_when_he_says_i_went_to_wharton.html

So Obama is a phony for saying he graduated from Columbia? I never heard Obama said I went to occidental college for two years because I was not able to get into Columbia. Maybe Obama should release his transcripts and settle this.

Obama has often talked about his time at Occidental. He's written about it in his books, he's talked about it in interviews etc.

"In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Mr Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother criticized him for being a ‘loafer’.

He also describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ‘indifferent’ and called himself a ‘bum’ who was notorious for partying.

A November 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator revealed the SAT average for the transfer intake that year.

It stated: ‘On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.’

President Obama, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100."

1100 is pretty low.

that is shocking

You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

My Wharton graduation featured deeee-licious Tastycake products. Greed was good that day, my friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have to agree with this article. Trump is a phony conservative and a moron.

You might be forgiven for thinking from this, as I did, that Trump has an MBA from the Wharton School of Business. He doesn't.

He actually has an undergraduate degree for the two years he spent there. Yes, I said two years. Trump was not able to get into the Wharton School (undergraduate) when he applied to college. He spent his first two years at Fordham University – a respectable school, but nowhere near as rigorous as Wharton (either undergraduate or graduate). The circumstances of his admissions are not clear, but the Daily Caller suggested that Trump may have used a family connection to gain admittance.

So instead of saying, "I'm smart because I went to Wharton!" Trump should be saying, "I'm smart because I went to Fordham for two years, and then Wharton for my final two years!"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/what_does_donald_trump_mean_when_he_says_i_went_to_wharton.html

So Obama is a phony for saying he graduated from Columbia? I never heard Obama said I went to occidental college for two years because I was not able to get into Columbia. Maybe Obama should release his transcripts and settle this.

Obama has often talked about his time at Occidental. He's written about it in his books, he's talked about it in interviews etc.

"In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Mr Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother criticized him for being a ‘loafer’.

He also describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ‘indifferent’ and called himself a ‘bum’ who was notorious for partying.

A November 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator revealed the SAT average for the transfer intake that year.

It stated: ‘On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.’

President Obama, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100."

1100 is pretty low.

that is shocking

You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

Yes we do. Obama wrote it in his own book. Most likely his SAT is below the average of 1100.

In his first book, “Dreams from My Father,” Obama describes himself as a lackluster high school student whose mother criticized him for being a “loafer” (142). He describes his attitude toward schoolwork as “indifferent” (146), calling himself a “bum” who abused drugs (138) and who partied all weekend (165).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

Yes we do. Obama wrote it in his own book. Most likely his SAT is below the average of 1100.

In his first book, “Dreams from My Father,” Obama describes himself as a lackluster high school student whose mother criticized him for being a “loafer” (142). He describes his attitude toward schoolwork as “indifferent” (146), calling himself a “bum” who abused drugs (138) and who partied all weekend (165).

Seriously? As someone who works for a research institution even you probably respect, this type of sloppy reasoning drives me nuts.

GPA and SAT scores are different things. You can be a good reader and get a low GPA (because of not handing in assignments or studying for tests) but high SATs because you have the vocab and the math only goes up to pre-calc. In fact, if you're on the slow math track and you take pre-calc right before you take the SATs, you're pretty much golden.

[Anonymous]

You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

I have a hard time believe you are a Wharton grad that you don't know what average means.

[Anonymous]

Today's SAT scores and those in 1979 are on a totally different scale.

In 1979 the top score you could get was 1600. (Today it's 2400). So 1100 isn't THAT bad. I got something like a 1350, I think.

[Anonymous]

In 1979 the top score you could get was 1600. (Today it's 2400). So 1100 isn't THAT bad. I got something like a 1350, I think.

Not that it matters, but I suspect everyone on here was thinking 1600. Even when it went to 2400, most understood the 1600 benchmark. And, there is nothing wrong with 1100--but it is not stellar by any means.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to agree with this article. Trump is a phony conservative and a moron.

You might be forgiven for thinking from this, as I did, that Trump has an MBA from the Wharton School of Business. He doesn't.

He actually has an undergraduate degree for the two years he spent there. Yes, I said two years. Trump was not able to get into the Wharton School (undergraduate) when he applied to college. He spent his first two years at Fordham University – a respectable school, but nowhere near as rigorous as Wharton (either undergraduate or graduate). The circumstances of his admissions are not clear, but the Daily Caller suggested that Trump may have used a family connection to gain admittance.

So instead of saying, "I'm smart because I went to Wharton!" Trump should be saying, "I'm smart because I went to Fordham for two years, and then Wharton for my final two years!"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/what_does_donald_trump_mean_when_he_says_i_went_to_wharton.html

So Obama is a phony for saying he graduated from Columbia? I never heard Obama said I went to occidental college for two years because I was not able to get into Columbia. Maybe Obama should release his transcripts and settle this.

Obama has often talked about his time at Occidental. He's written about it in his books, he's talked about it in interviews etc.

"In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Mr Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother criticized him for being a ‘loafer’.

He also describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ‘indifferent’ and called himself a ‘bum’ who was notorious for partying.

A November 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator revealed the SAT average for the transfer intake that year.

It stated: ‘On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.’

President Obama, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100."

1100 is pretty low.

that is shocking

Think it was a different scale. But affirmative action must have helped.

I'm a white, got 1200 on the SAT - hardly the top 99% percentile - and got into an Ivy League college in the 80s. I went to a no-name, not very rigorous high school. You know what helped me get selected? I was a from an area of the country where almost no one applied to Ivy League schools. I was told by admissions officers that they took that into consideration when choosing the incoming class - they were looking to diversify the backgrounds. Lots of white applicants were and probably still are given preferential treatment based on something that had nothing to do with their test scores.

[Anonymous]

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You have no clue what Obama's SAT scores were. "Average" means that half the students scored higher and have scored lower. Or, if by "average" they mean "median," then the person in the middle of the distribution scored 1100, with half the transfers scoring below and half scoring above. With both measures of "average," the shape of the distribution makes all the difference. In fact, it seems totally plausible that the 50% below "average" scored from 1000-1099 (would Columbia really take somebody scoring 500?) and the 50% above "average" scored in a broader range from 1101 to 1600 (1600 was the top at the time).

Also you don't know whether Obama had months of private SAT tutoring, which is now the norm in the DC area. Versus resubmitting his freshman SATs which maybe he took cold.

So stop stating your speculation as fact.

FWIW, Columbia in the 1980s was a very different place before the Common App boosted the number of applications (this is true for every college that uses the Common App, hello Brown in particular) and their Morningside Heights neighborhood cleaned up.

Another FWIW. I'm a Wharton grad and while we have some wonderful alumns, we're forever being embarrassed by crooks like Michael Milken (he did discover philanthropy later in his life), the guy who launched a hostile takeover of Disney (forgetting his name at the moment), and now Trump.

I have a hard time believe you are a Wharton grad that you don't know what average means.

Yikes. Obviously you don't understand what "average" is. There's mean and there's median. "Average" can be either in literature aimed at the general public. From the post above referencing 1100 it's not clear which is being used. When the distribution is probably skewed, like this one, median is often a better choice. Sorry if that's hard for you to grasp. It's just sad when bullies like you are dumb.

[Anonymous]

1100 was not high even when Obama was applying and would typically allow you to get into your local state college at best.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to agree with this article. Trump is a phony conservative and a moron.

You might be forgiven for thinking from this, as I did, that Trump has an MBA from the Wharton School of Business. He doesn't.

He actually has an undergraduate degree for the two years he spent there. Yes, I said two years. Trump was not able to get into the Wharton School (undergraduate) when he applied to college. He spent his first two years at Fordham University – a respectable school, but nowhere near as rigorous as Wharton (either undergraduate or graduate). The circumstances of his admissions are not clear, but the Daily Caller suggested that Trump may have used a family connection to gain admittance.

So instead of saying, "I'm smart because I went to Wharton!" Trump should be saying, "I'm smart because I went to Fordham for two years, and then Wharton for my final two years!"

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/what_does_donald_trump_mean_when_he_says_i_went_to_wharton.html

So Obama is a phony for saying he graduated from Columbia? I never heard Obama said I went to occidental college for two years because I was not able to get into Columbia. Maybe Obama should release his transcripts and settle this.

Obama has often talked about his time at Occidental. He's written about it in his books, he's talked about it in interviews etc.

"In his autobiography, Dreams From My Father, Mr Obama describes himself as an unfocused high school student whose mother criticized him for being a ‘loafer’.

He also describes his attitude toward his studies at Occidental as ‘indifferent’ and called himself a ‘bum’ who was notorious for partying.

A November 18, 1981 article in the Columbia Spectator revealed the SAT average for the transfer intake that year.

It stated: ‘On paper at least, the quality of the students accepted [as transfers] has declined along with the number of applicants, the officials say.’

President Obama, who moved from Occidental Community College in Los Angeles, was among 67 students whose average combined math and verbal score on the Scholastic Aptitude Test is a 1,100."

Did the article in the Columbia Spectator really call Occidental College "Occidental Community College?" And why are we assuming that Obama got a 1100 on the SAT when that is the average of the 67 students who transferred into Columbia that year? And what does him being a self-described slacker have to do with his aptitude, which is what the SAT measures?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's very common for non-rich people to attend a community college and then transfer to a more respectable school, for financial reasons.

Of course, Donald Trump is from a wealthy family, and Fordham isn't cheap, so he doesn't have that excuse.

Obama attended private school his whole life. Give me a break.

2016-2017 costs for attending Occidental College:

Tuition: $50,492
Room & Board: $14,460
Required Fees: $578
Total: $65,530

And yet Obama attended around 1979-81. I'll leave it to you to do the math on how many years have passed since then. And perhaps he was eligible for grants and financial aid.