explain the NC law to me - why are we so obsessed with bathrooms?

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So what exactly is the problem? I don't pee in the middle of the floor in the open area. I go into a stall, shut it, do my business and then go on my way.i don't care what anyone else in there is doing unless they are in my stall peeing on me. I don't think trans people are perverts looking to get their kicks, or pedophiles with a bathroom fetish looking to watch little girls or boys pee. What are you afraid of? You are uncomfortable being around a trans person in the bathroom? Grow up, pee and leave. It's a public bathroom. Geesh

By your logic -- why have separate men and women's bathrooms at all? The logical next step in the progressive agenda would be achieve true equality by abolishing separate men's and women's restrooms.

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Does this law apply to changing rooms and locker rooms too? I assume any man can simply visit the woman's bathroom anytime he wants and simply say he feels as though he should be a woman. No questions asked. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a bathroom, in the women everyone has a stall and in the men if they poop they have a stall. I don't think a transman can use the urinal unless they've completed the re assignment and have a penis.

So what exactly is the problem? I don't pee in the middle of the floor in the open area. I go into a stall, shut it, do my business and then go on my way.i don't care what anyone else in there is doing unless they are in my stall peeing on me. I don't think trans people are perverts looking to get their kicks, or pedophiles with a bathroom fetish looking to watch little girls or boys pee. What are you afraid of? You are uncomfortable being around a trans person in the bathroom? Grow up, pee and leave. It's a public bathroom. Geesh

The problem, for those you who are too short-sighted to recognize it, is -- who are you to say that a man "looks like a woman" or a woman "looks like a man?" You think that just because a man is "dressed like a woman," that makes it OK for him to enter the woman's restroom? What, exactly, qualifies as "dressed like/ looks like" a woman? Who are you to determine that?

I am PP you quoted. Why don't you answer the first question yourself without the insult. Who are you to say who looks like a man or who looks like a woman? I think the law and the freak out are ridiculous. No, I don't think men or women are faking to be trans and then using opposite gender bathrooms while dressed as trans just to watch me or you or my kids pee or poop. I mean what do you think the trans people are doing in there besides going to the bathroom? Is there such a large population of perverted trans public bathroom people to make this a big issue? OMG, they're coming, hide, it's a transgender person with a full bladder.

Then you are kidding yourself.

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What many people don't realize is that this law is much more than about bathrooms. This law overturned local government's ability to make local legislation, including setting a minimum wage. Yes it also prohibits local governments from allowing transgendered people to use the "wrong bathroom". A few years ago the same GOP state legislated a-holes also tried to remove local governments' ability to establish historic districts. I firmly believe that this legislation is about the state GOP trying to usurp power from local governments.

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So what exactly is the problem? I don't pee in the middle of the floor in the open area. I go into a stall, shut it, do my business and then go on my way.i don't care what anyone else in there is doing unless they are in my stall peeing on me. I don't think trans people are perverts looking to get their kicks, or pedophiles with a bathroom fetish looking to watch little girls or boys pee. What are you afraid of? You are uncomfortable being around a trans person in the bathroom? Grow up, pee and leave. It's a public bathroom. Geesh

By your logic -- why have separate men and women's bathrooms at all? The logical next step in the progressive agenda would be achieve true equality by abolishing separate men's and women's restrooms.

I don't have a problem with unisex bathrooms, but I don't think we need to change the laws to force that. I just don't see the fear in letting trans people use the gender bathroom of their choice.

Look, there are probably already plenty of weirdos right now, yesterday, today and tomorrow who get their kicks seeing other people in the bathroom. I am not sure what discriminating against trans people are going to do to solve that issue. I am discrete in the bathroom, I don't walk around mooning people or letting my kids show their private parts in the bathroom common area. Anyone caught peeping into someone else's stall, regardless of gender or orientation or whatever, should be arrested. But I don't understand the association between the concern with predators and pervs in the bathroom and this law.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a bathroom, in the women everyone has a stall and in the men if they poop they have a stall. I don't think a transman can use the urinal unless they've completed the re assignment and have a penis.

So what exactly is the problem? I don't pee in the middle of the floor in the open area. I go into a stall, shut it, do my business and then go on my way.i don't care what anyone else in there is doing unless they are in my stall peeing on me. I don't think trans people are perverts looking to get their kicks, or pedophiles with a bathroom fetish looking to watch little girls or boys pee. What are you afraid of? You are uncomfortable being around a trans person in the bathroom? Grow up, pee and leave. It's a public bathroom. Geesh

The problem, for those you who are too short-sighted to recognize it, is -- who are you to say that a man "looks like a woman" or a woman "looks like a man?" You think that just because a man is "dressed like a woman," that makes it OK for him to enter the woman's restroom? What, exactly, qualifies as "dressed like/ looks like" a woman? Who are you to determine that?

I am PP you quoted. Why don't you answer the first question yourself without the insult. Who are you to say who looks like a man or who looks like a woman? I think the law and the freak out are ridiculous. No, I don't think men or women are faking to be trans and then using opposite gender bathrooms while dressed as trans just to watch me or you or my kids pee or poop. I mean what do you think the trans people are doing in there besides going to the bathroom? Is there such a large population of perverted trans public bathroom people to make this a big issue? OMG, they're coming, hide, it's a transgender person with a full bladder.

Then you are kidding yourself.

Really, this is a major issue right now?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so naïve, I'm not sure how you make it through the day.

Yes I was thinking the same thing. They think this is abot bathrooms.

No we don't. We think it is about small minded reactionary bigots trying to find any way to legally register their disgust for LGBTQ citizens in a post marriage equality America. And we are not wrong.

I guess I was confused. I agree with you. That's why it's not about bathrooms. It's about finding a way to take a way to make trans people "illegal". Not bathrooms.

You don't think some women are uncomfortable sharing a public restroom with a man dressed as a woman (who is obviously a man)? You are kidding yourself. That would make me uncomfortable. Of course, if I can't tell it's a man, then I can't tell.

Why are you uncomfortable? Really. Are you afraid of trans people?

Let the bullying begin. Case rested

Hon, being questioned about your stance is not bullying, and if your stance is so sensitive that it can't handle being questioned, perhaps it's not so solid to begin with.

This, fyi, is bullying: http://www.thetaskforce.org/study-high-rates-of-bullying-suicide-attempts-among-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-people/

Actually, you are assuming the individual is afraid, actually accusing her of being afraid, rather than choosing to acknowledge an individual has a right to privacy from the opposite sex. And like it or not, you can't change DNA.

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I work in a male dominated field. Sometimes (oddly enough!) the line to the men's room is very long and they sneak into the woman's room. I have to admit it never crossed my mind to report them (tease them sure. report them? that would be silly)

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Anonymous wrote:It's a bathroom, in the women everyone has a stall and in the men if they poop they have a stall. I don't think a transman can use the urinal unless they've completed the re assignment and have a penis.

So what exactly is the problem? I don't pee in the middle of the floor in the open area. I go into a stall, shut it, do my business and then go on my way.i don't care what anyone else in there is doing unless they are in my stall peeing on me. I don't think trans people are perverts looking to get their kicks, or pedophiles with a bathroom fetish looking to watch little girls or boys pee. What are you afraid of? You are uncomfortable being around a trans person in the bathroom? Grow up, pee and leave. It's a public bathroom. Geesh

The problem, for those you who are too short-sighted to recognize it, is -- who are you to say that a man "looks like a woman" or a woman "looks like a man?" You think that just because a man is "dressed like a woman," that makes it OK for him to enter the woman's restroom? What, exactly, qualifies as "dressed like/ looks like" a woman? Who are you to determine that?

I am PP you quoted. Why don't you answer the first question yourself without the insult. Who are you to say who looks like a man or who looks like a woman? I think the law and the freak out are ridiculous. No, I don't think men or women are faking to be trans and then using opposite gender bathrooms while dressed as trans just to watch me or you or my kids pee or poop. I mean what do you think the trans people are doing in there besides going to the bathroom? Is there such a large population of perverted trans public bathroom people to make this a big issue? OMG, they're coming, hide, it's a transgender person with a full bladder.

Then you are kidding yourself.

Really, this is a major issue right now?

Well, I guess not, possibly because in most places -- up until this level of madness in public policy took over -- it has not been legal for men to be in women's bathrooms! Go figure!

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Anonymous wrote:This is probably one of the best articles around regarding transgenderism. Did you know 70-80% of teens who think they are the wrong sex lose those feelings? This is according to John's Hopkins University studies, mind you. And yet there are laws being passed allowing for gender reassignment surgeries on 15 year olds without parental consent? Madness!

http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/26/indulging-transgender-fantasies-makes-them-worse/

Reading comprehension fail. The Federalist article states "70 percent to 80 percent of those kids will spontaneously lose those feelings, according to Paul McHugh, the former chief of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University", and the words "Paul McHugh" link to a CNS News article that states "Dr. McHugh further noted studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% 'spontaneously lost those feelings.'"

Children, not specifically teens, and not Johns Hopkins studies. Also, no full citations to said studies provided, so no way to authenticate them.

Knowing how emotionally volatile teenagers are, why on earth would anyone indulge such feelings with hormones, breast binders, etc? The right thing to do is psychological counseling to make sure there is nothing else going on. When that child is 18 and legally able to make his/her own decisions, so be it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, what happens when a trans woman (with male genitalia) enters a mens' bathroom dressed as woman? How will police ensure compliance? Are all people at the risk of an on-the-spot strip search?

Homeland Security will develop an app to scan, analyze and classify genitalia.

There's also ways know if they were born locally or stay here illegally.

And this is a win for small government?

I also don't get it, OP. Neither the enforcement nor why it is needed. Someone who looks like a woman (but has male genitalia) goes into a women's bathroom. If they're there to pee, they go into a stall and no one is the wiser. If they are there to harass or assault women, they'd do that regardless of whether they were dressed as a woman. Ditto the men's room. And a trans man is far likely to be threatened in the men's room rather than be a threat. I really don't understand why this is taking up so much time and attention. I am a woman and I do not care if a trans woman wants to use the women's bathroom. If h/she feels like a woman and wants to pee in a stall where I don't see her anyway, why do I care?

You're right, I don't understand it either. Know why? Because it's not about bathrooms at all - it's about pushing an agenda, based on what do-gooders believe is 'non-hate', when in reality, it's causing more attention and more problems as a result. The solution is simply to continue to put third bathrooms in, non-gender family bathrooms so to speak. This solves a lot of additional problems, such as when my 5 year old son insisted on going into the men's room at Jersey Turnpike rest stops and I could not go in with him. This completely eliminates the awkwardness and safety issues for trans-gender individuals as well.

Now - wait for the outrage at my statements from people here and you'll see what I mean about forcing an agenda over safety for all parties.

He's a five year old. Who is in charge here? In public my 6 year old
son goes with me, his mother, to use the restroom. Be a parent, be in charge, take responsibility. We don't need laws for that. YOU just need common sense and better ways to spend your mental energy.

He did go with me but it made things more difficult than it needed to be on a large car trip. What if the kid is 8? 10? Does the risk go down, allowing a child in the bathroom like that? I don't think so. And taking them in the women's room at 10 is a completely new ball game. A family bathroom solves that issue

To the bolded point, no, it doesn't. Women's bathrooms have stalls for privacy. My son can't see you and you can't see him. But at 10, seriously, stop hovering and let the damn kid use the bathroom. Cut the cord already.

If this were really about the urgent need for family bathrooms, then this would have been an issue for a very, very, very long time and we wouldn't be talking about forcing people to use the bathroom of the sex on their birth certificate. We would be having a different conversation entirely. You are being disingenuous at best and a lying liar at worst if you really think this is true.

I am so sick of only kids using women's bathrooms. It makes the line even longer. Why can't your dh's ever take the kids? I personally would just like unisex bathrooms.

He would if he wasn't in VA while I was on the Jersey Turnpike. Unless you'd like him to have driven up specifically to take my son into the rest room?

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Anonymous wrote:It's a bathroom, in the women everyone has a stall and in the men if they poop they have a stall. I don't think a transman can use the urinal unless they've completed the re assignment and have a penis.

So what exactly is the problem? I don't pee in the middle of the floor in the open area. I go into a stall, shut it, do my business and then go on my way.i don't care what anyone else in there is doing unless they are in my stall peeing on me. I don't think trans people are perverts looking to get their kicks, or pedophiles with a bathroom fetish looking to watch little girls or boys pee. What are you afraid of? You are uncomfortable being around a trans person in the bathroom? Grow up, pee and leave. It's a public bathroom. Geesh

Agree! And regardless of the gender of anyone involved, if someone's behaving inappropriately, REPORT them. Big deal. Mere fact that someone is there is not inappropriate. If on the other hand they were whacking off or taking a dump in the middle of the floor or engaging in some other legitimately inappropriate behavior, they should get reported regardless of gender. Gender or mere presence of someone of a certain gender is no threat and is not the issue. Inappropriate behavior is the issue. If they mind their own business, who cares. As the PP said, grow up already.

And also - I've known straight women who look like men, I've known gay women who you'd never know were gay, I've known straight men who could pass for female, I've known gay men who you'd never know were gay, I've known trans on both sides who you'd never know were anything other than what they appear to be, so the guessing game about what someone is or isn't and guessing what their sexual proclivities and interests are is ultimately a loser as well. We need to just treat each other like HUMANS first and foremost.

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By your logic -- why have separate men and women's bathrooms at all? The logical next step in the progressive agenda would be achieve true equality by abolishing separate men's and women's restrooms.

I don't have a problem with unisex bathrooms, but I don't think we need to change the laws to force that. I just don't see the fear in letting trans people use the gender bathroom of their choice.

But why should only trans people be able to use the gender bathroom of their choice? Either you say that all bathrooms are open to everyone, or that some bathrooms should restricted to biological men and other restricted to biological women.

I really don't understand why liberals are so obsessed with bathrooms. Why is it a big deal if a trans woman has to use the men's bathroom? If she has a penis, then the urinal in the men's bathroom will allow her to get her business done quicker.

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By your logic -- why have separate men and women's bathrooms at all? The logical next step in the progressive agenda would be achieve true equality by abolishing separate men's and women's restrooms.

I don't have a problem with unisex bathrooms, but I don't think we need to change the laws to force that. I just don't see the fear in letting trans people use the gender bathroom of their choice.

But why should only trans people be able to use the gender bathroom of their choice? Either you say that all bathrooms are open to everyone, or that some bathrooms should restricted to biological men and other restricted to biological women.

I really don't understand why liberals are so obsessed with bathrooms. Why is it a big deal if a trans woman has to use the men's bathroom? If she has a penis, then the urinal in the men's bathroom will allow her to get her business done quicker.

Oh liberals are obsessed with bathrooms, huh? I must have missed the part where Democrats introduced this bullshit legislation because of their "obsession" with bathrooms. You live in a logic free zone.

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By your logic -- why have separate men and women's bathrooms at all? The logical next step in the progressive agenda would be achieve true equality by abolishing separate men's and women's restrooms.

I don't have a problem with unisex bathrooms, but I don't think we need to change the laws to force that. I just don't see the fear in letting trans people use the gender bathroom of their choice.

But why should only trans people be able to use the gender bathroom of their choice? Either you say that all bathrooms are open to everyone, or that some bathrooms should restricted to biological men and other restricted to biological women.

I really don't understand why liberals are so obsessed with bathrooms. Why is it a big deal if a trans woman has to use the men's bathroom? If she has a penis, then the urinal in the men's bathroom will allow her to get her business done quicker.

Do you even realize the absurdity of what you wrote here (in bold)?