s/o "if you kid doesn't go to AAP 3-8 is he doomed?" - what is the point of AAP?

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Anonymous wrote:AAP is feeder to TJ
if you don't get b in there, life goes on, one can still do well in college and life, but you went to the best high school in the us, academically speaking.

AAP is not a feeder to TJ. Correlation does not equal causation.

almost all the kids at TJ were in AAP. They're the cream of the crop academically. They were identified as such early on and put in an academic environment best suited for them.
What would have happened if there was no AAP and these kids all were Gen Ed during 3-8 is speculation. Luckily, we have AAP here in Fairfax County.

I would agree that the kids at TJ are the top academic performers. But to imply that all the kids in AAP are at this level is frankly, laughable. Very, very few kids are admitted to TJ. Most kids are not. Which makes it crystal clear to all exactly who are the "top" kids. Hint: not the run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen, mainstream AAP kids. It must be such a shock and disappointment when TJ rejections come out!

And if there was no AAP and those poor kids wound up in Gen Ed, the top performers would remain just that. It doesn't take a lukewarm, faux "gifted" program to nurture those who truly have gifts. How else would you explain the many top performers in high school who were never in AAP to begin with?

Data please on the "many top performers" who were not AAP. And real data, not just what your kids' friends are up to.

Sure, I'll dig that right up. Meanwhile, I'd like to see the data detailing top performing high school students who were in AAP. Hint: there is no such data, on either group. So all we have to go by are our own experiences. Since I've had three kids go through high school already, I've seen plenty of kids at the top of their class who weren't previously in AAP. Not sure why this would surprise anybody.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is feeder to TJ
if you don't get b in there, life goes on, one can still do well in college and life, but you went to the best high school in the us, academically speaking.

AAP is not a feeder to TJ. Correlation does not equal causation.

almost all the kids at TJ were in AAP. They're the cream of the crop academically. They were identified as such early on and put in an academic environment best suited for them.
What would have happened if there was no AAP and these kids all were Gen Ed during 3-8 is speculation. Luckily, we have AAP here in Fairfax County.

I would agree that the kids at TJ are the top academic performers. But to imply that all the kids in AAP are at this level is frankly, laughable. Very, very few kids are admitted to TJ. Most kids are not. Which makes it crystal clear to all exactly who are the "top" kids. Hint: not the run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen, mainstream AAP kids. It must be such a shock and disappointment when TJ rejections come out!

And if there was no AAP and those poor kids wound up in Gen Ed, the top performers would remain just that. It doesn't take a lukewarm, faux "gifted" program to nurture those who truly have gifts. How else would you explain the many top performers in high school who were never in AAP to begin with?

Data please on the "many top performers" who were not AAP. And real data, not just what your kids' friends are up to.

Sure, I'll dig that right up. Meanwhile, I'd like to see the data detailing top performing high school students who were in AAP. Hint: there is no such data, on either group. So all we have to go by are our own experiences. Since I've had three kids go through high school already, I've seen plenty of kids at the top of their class who weren't previously in AAP. Not sure why this would surprise anybody.

Well, the data does show that close to 90% of the TJ kids come from AAP-- and TJ has way more NMSFs than all the other FCPS HSs combined. And just announced they had 11 Intel semifinalists. And regularly has Westinghouse talent search finalists. And sends kids to consistently great colleges, including hundreds of admits a year to UVA, W& M and VA Tech Engineering-- plus lots of admits to Iveys and other Top 20s. So yes, there is data that some of the highest achievers in FCPS come out of AAP.

[Anonymous]

Wolftrap, has an integrated LLIV program. Half the day AAP and general kids are separated for math and language arts, and the other half the students are mixed. All children are taught science and social studies from the AAP curriculum materials. Some of the general ed students receive compacted math and/or receive some AAP language arts materials if they qualify for each subject. While the class sizes are large, it's nice that the school tries to provide enrichment to as many children as possible and also provide as little of a divide between AAP and general ed.

Many schools in FCPS are now using this same model or different models of integration that provide the same types of services. I'm kind of surprised to still hear the vitrol on this board between parents of AAP and general ed students and read about the anxiety that still exists over getting into AAP after hearing how many schools have worked to integrate advanced academics within the entire school population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wolftrap, has an integrated LLIV program. Half the day AAP and general kids are separated for math and language arts, and the other half the students are mixed. All children are taught science and social studies from the AAP curriculum materials. Some of the general ed students receive compacted math and/or receive some AAP language arts materials if they qualify for each subject. While the class sizes are large, it's nice that the school tries to provide enrichment to as many children as possible and also provide as little of a divide between AAP and general ed.

Many schools in FCPS are now using this same model or different models of integration that provide the same types of services. I'm kind of surprised to still hear the vitrol on this board between parents of AAP and general ed students and read about the anxiety that still exists over getting into AAP after hearing how many schools have worked to integrate advanced academics within the entire school population.

That kind of thing is not available everywhere. Not even close. It's like saying "I'm surprised to still hear about people struggling to make ends meet since a lot of people I know are buying second homes."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is feeder to TJ
if you don't get b in there, life goes on, one can still do well in college and life, but you went to the best high school in the us, academically speaking.

AAP is not a feeder to TJ. Correlation does not equal causation.

almost all the kids at TJ were in AAP. They're the cream of the crop academically. They were identified as such early on and put in an academic environment best suited for them.
What would have happened if there was no AAP and these kids all were Gen Ed during 3-8 is speculation. Luckily, we have AAP here in Fairfax County.

I would agree that the kids at TJ are the top academic performers. But to imply that all the kids in AAP are at this level is frankly, laughable. Very, very few kids are admitted to TJ. Most kids are not. Which makes it crystal clear to all exactly who are the "top" kids. Hint: not the run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen, mainstream AAP kids. It must be such a shock and disappointment when TJ rejections come out!

And if there was no AAP and those poor kids wound up in Gen Ed, the top performers would remain just that. It doesn't take a lukewarm, faux "gifted" program to nurture those who truly have gifts. How else would you explain the many top performers in high school who were never in AAP to begin with?

Data please on the "many top performers" who were not AAP. And real data, not just what your kids' friends are up to.

Sure, I'll dig that right up. Meanwhile, I'd like to see the data detailing top performing high school students who were in AAP. Hint: there is no such data, on either group. So all we have to go by are our own experiences. Since I've had three kids go through high school already, I've seen plenty of kids at the top of their class who weren't previously in AAP. Not sure why this would surprise anybody.

Well, the data does show that close to 90% of the TJ kids come from AAP-- and TJ has way more NMSFs than all the other FCPS HSs combined. And just announced they had 11 Intel semifinalists. And regularly has Westinghouse talent search finalists. And sends kids to consistently great colleges, including hundreds of admits a year to UVA, W& M and VA Tech Engineering-- plus lots of admits to Iveys and other Top 20s. So yes, there is data that some of the highest achievers in FCPS come out of AAP.

You're talking in circles. I'm the PP who already said that the kids at TJ are the top academic performers - no question there. However, that doesn't take into account those superior students who have no interest in STEM or TJ and who remain at their base schools - many of whom were never in AAP to begin with. The point is that so few kids are actually accepted at TJ, that it's nonsense to say all kids in AAP are at this level. Of course "some of the highest achievers in FCPS come out of AAP." And some do not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wolftrap, has an integrated LLIV program. Half the day AAP and general kids are separated for math and language arts, and the other half the students are mixed. All children are taught science and social studies from the AAP curriculum materials. Some of the general ed students receive compacted math and/or receive some AAP language arts materials if they qualify for each subject. While the class sizes are large, it's nice that the school tries to provide enrichment to as many children as possible and also provide as little of a divide between AAP and general ed.

Many schools in FCPS are now using this same model or different models of integration that provide the same types of services. I'm kind of surprised to still hear the vitrol on this board between parents of AAP and general ed students and read about the anxiety that still exists over getting into AAP after hearing how many schools have worked to integrate advanced academics within the entire school population.

LLIV sounds so much more sane than the segregation that occurs at centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AAP is feeder to TJ
if you don't get b in there, life goes on, one can still do well in college and life, but you went to the best high school in the us, academically speaking.

AAP is not a feeder to TJ. Correlation does not equal causation.

almost all the kids at TJ were in AAP. They're the cream of the crop academically. They were identified as such early on and put in an academic environment best suited for them.
What would have happened if there was no AAP and these kids all were Gen Ed during 3-8 is speculation. Luckily, we have AAP here in Fairfax County.

I would agree that the kids at TJ are the top academic performers. But to imply that all the kids in AAP are at this level is frankly, laughable. Very, very few kids are admitted to TJ. Most kids are not. Which makes it crystal clear to all exactly who are the "top" kids. Hint: not the run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen, mainstream AAP kids. It must be such a shock and disappointment when TJ rejections come out!

And if there was no AAP and those poor kids wound up in Gen Ed, the top performers would remain just that. It doesn't take a lukewarm, faux "gifted" program to nurture those who truly have gifts. How else would you explain the many top performers in high school who were never in AAP to begin with?

Data please on the "many top performers" who were not AAP. And real data, not just what your kids' friends are up to.

It's pretty obvious you don't have kids in high school yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wolftrap, has an integrated LLIV program. Half the day AAP and general kids are separated for math and language arts, and the other half the students are mixed. All children are taught science and social studies from the AAP curriculum materials. Some of the general ed students receive compacted math and/or receive some AAP language arts materials if they qualify for each subject. While the class sizes are large, it's nice that the school tries to provide enrichment to as many children as possible and also provide as little of a divide between AAP and general ed.

Many schools in FCPS are now using this same model or different models of integration that provide the same types of services. I'm kind of surprised to still hear the vitrol on this board between parents of AAP and general ed students and read about the anxiety that still exists over getting into AAP after hearing how many schools have worked to integrate advanced academics within the entire school population.

That kind of thing is not available everywhere. Not even close. It's like saying "I'm surprised to still hear about people struggling to make ends meet since a lot of people I know are buying second homes."

The thing is that it can be. Many of the centers and LLIV schools are mixing kids of different levels for part of the day and/or letting kids take classes with kids a year up either individually or through combination classes for certain subjects. PTA's should push to have their schools more integrated while still allowing for some advanced instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wolftrap, has an integrated LLIV program. Half the day AAP and general kids are separated for math and language arts, and the other half the students are mixed. All children are taught science and social studies from the AAP curriculum materials. Some of the general ed students receive compacted math and/or receive some AAP language arts materials if they qualify for each subject. While the class sizes are large, it's nice that the school tries to provide enrichment to as many children as possible and also provide as little of a divide between AAP and general ed.

Many schools in FCPS are now using this same model or different models of integration that provide the same types of services. I'm kind of surprised to still hear the vitrol on this board between parents of AAP and general ed students and read about the anxiety that still exists over getting into AAP after hearing how many schools have worked to integrate advanced academics within the entire school population.

That kind of thing is not available everywhere. Not even close. It's like saying "I'm surprised to still hear about people struggling to make ends meet since a lot of people I know are buying second homes."

The thing is that it can be. Many of the centers and LLIV schools are mixing kids of different levels for part of the day and/or letting kids take classes with kids a year up either individually or through combination classes for certain subjects. PTA's should push to have their schools more integrated while still allowing for some advanced instruction.

This would be incredibly difficult to achieve at out LLIV base school where we have less than ten Level IV eligible students per grade.