Colleges tell students to ask faculty if their Halloween costumes are offensive or not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would an article detailing the exact same thing from the New York Times be more legit? Pc culture is absolute nonsense.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/cultural-appropriation-halloween-costumes.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/Q4bWszND3O

Yes, an article from the New York Times is more legit.

What does this article say? It says that lots of people are worrying about cultural appropriation. If you don't want to worry about cultural appropriation -- good news! you don't have to! If you want to go in blackface as Kanye West, go right ahead. There will be people who are upset about this, but you don't need to worry about their opinions, because you already know that "PC culture" is nonsense.

OP here. Who cares which paper it's in? It's not a matter of worrying; it's the fact that so many busybodies thrive on telling others how to live and careers and reputations can be ruined over perceived slights. And the fact that there are countless well paid college administrators being paid to micromanage and police what consenting adults do outside the classroom on their own time. Is this kind of coddling *really* preparing students for the real world? There's a fine line between colleges teaching youth how to be good citizens and the crap we have here where people are all but told what to think.

We're heading down a slippery slope as far as free speech and the nature of "tolerance" in America and the West. Who would have imagined 20-30 years ago that people could make a career out of being offended for other people and printing out leaflets about "appropriate" attire at off campus house parties?

Just some food for thought next time you write Larla's tuition check or bitch about the ballooning coast of education....cause of useless staff like these people at Wesleyan and SUNY.

Except...no.

Blackface has always been insulting and unacceptable. Even when your grandparents wore blackface at their Klan rallies, they knew they were being racist and disgusting, and their aim was to hurt African Americans. You know this.

So, the idea that we are on some slippery slope because your shitbag kids want to keep blackface alive or boil Latinos down to stereotypes is bullshit. Society no longer condones your evil behavior and you are not going to single out and denigrate minorities with impunity anymore. Go cry about it. Even better, keep your asshole kids off campus.

Wearing blackface is hardly the same as dressing up as an Indian or geisha.

[Anonymous]

I might be the most anti-PC person on the face of the earth and absolutely detest all the faux outrage about the most inconsequential topics possible....

But...with a kid now away at college, I actually think this attempt by the administrators to create a little awareness is a good idea. I'm not saying that all this hypersensitivity is a good idea, but reminding the kids that the hypersensitivity exists *IS* a good thing. I can see my kid not thinking twice about dressing up in something seemingly innocent costume and then having some snowflake on campus accuse him of God knows what. He wouldn't have had a clue that someone someone could have been offended by him dressing up as a <whatever>, much less would have he intended to actually offend. But at least maybe he'll give it a second thought if he knows that the PC-police are out on Halloween night.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When will this PC nonsense end? SOO glad I'm not in college anymore. The American university has truly become a graveyard for critical thinking and tolerance in the truest sense of the word. As in tolerant of all speech, not just "approved" speech.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297067/The-politically-correct-police-Colleges-post-flyers-advising-students-consult-faculty-Halloween-costumes-appropriate-not.html#comments

Would you allow your ES child to dress as a geisha? Or an Indian? Or, say, a Hassidic Jew?

Serious question. Answer it and then we can have a conversation about "PC"

I would allow my ES child to dress as a geisha or an Indian, yes of course. A Hassidic Jew? No.

Whew, you are really very stupid. Your line drawing is arbitrary and makes no sense. If mocking Hassids by acting as if their garb is a costume is not acceptable, then how is doing the same to Indians and Asians all right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would an article detailing the exact same thing from the New York Times be more legit? Pc culture is absolute nonsense.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/cultural-appropriation-halloween-costumes.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/Q4bWszND3O

Yes, an article from the New York Times is more legit.

What does this article say? It says that lots of people are worrying about cultural appropriation. If you don't want to worry about cultural appropriation -- good news! you don't have to! If you want to go in blackface as Kanye West, go right ahead. There will be people who are upset about this, but you don't need to worry about their opinions, because you already know that "PC culture" is nonsense.

OP here. Who cares which paper it's in? It's not a matter of worrying; it's the fact that so many busybodies thrive on telling others how to live and careers and reputations can be ruined over perceived slights. And the fact that there are countless well paid college administrators being paid to micromanage and police what consenting adults do outside the classroom on their own time. Is this kind of coddling *really* preparing students for the real world? There's a fine line between colleges teaching youth how to be good citizens and the crap we have here where people are all but told what to think.

We're heading down a slippery slope as far as free speech and the nature of "tolerance" in America and the West. Who would have imagined 20-30 years ago that people could make a career out of being offended for other people and printing out leaflets about "appropriate" attire at off campus house parties?

Just some food for thought next time you write Larla's tuition check or bitch about the ballooning coast of education....cause of useless staff like these people at Wesleyan and SUNY.

Except...no.

Blackface has always been insulting and unacceptable. Even when your grandparents wore blackface at their Klan rallies, they knew they were being racist and disgusting, and their aim was to hurt African Americans. You know this.

So, the idea that we are on some slippery slope because your shitbag kids want to keep blackface alive or boil Latinos down to stereotypes is bullshit. Society no longer condones your evil behavior and you are not going to single out and denigrate minorities with impunity anymore. Go cry about it. Even better, keep your asshole kids off campus.

Wearing blackface is hardly the same as dressing up as an Indian or geisha.

This is the hill to die on, huh? You have raised kids so braindead, unimaginative, and lazy that the only costumes they can think up involve making cheap stereotypes of others' culture...and you think PC is the problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wearing a black belt if you are not a black belt master was also off limits. Just ban everything. tons of people love Kung fu and anime culture. Next thing Cosplay will also be cultural appropriation.

The reason the nytimes had to write an article on it and thankfully most of be commentators on the article agree is that he policing has gone way too far. It's not just about "black face"

I think the answer here is for you to boycott colleges and universities. If Larla and Larlo cannot wear slant-eyed makeup and play Geisha for a day, then they will deny colleges the pleasure of their attendance. That'll teach the PC police!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would an article detailing the exact same thing from the New York Times be more legit? Pc culture is absolute nonsense.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/cultural-appropriation-halloween-costumes.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/Q4bWszND3O

Yes, an article from the New York Times is more legit.

What does this article say? It says that lots of people are worrying about cultural appropriation. If you don't want to worry about cultural appropriation -- good news! you don't have to! If you want to go in blackface as Kanye West, go right ahead. There will be people who are upset about this, but you don't need to worry about their opinions, because you already know that "PC culture" is nonsense.

OP here. Who cares which paper it's in? It's not a matter of worrying; it's the fact that so many busybodies thrive on telling others how to live and careers and reputations can be ruined over perceived slights. And the fact that there are countless well paid college administrators being paid to micromanage and police what consenting adults do outside the classroom on their own time. Is this kind of coddling *really* preparing students for the real world? There's a fine line between colleges teaching youth how to be good citizens and the crap we have here where people are all but told what to think.

We're heading down a slippery slope as far as free speech and the nature of "tolerance" in America and the West. Who would have imagined 20-30 years ago that people could make a career out of being offended for other people and printing out leaflets about "appropriate" attire at off campus house parties?

Just some food for thought next time you write Larla's tuition check or bitch about the ballooning coast of education....cause of useless staff like these people at Wesleyan and SUNY.

So actually, yes, it is good preparation for the real world. Or certainly the professional world. Where diversity and inclusiveness are real, actual values.

[Anonymous]

This is really smart on the part of the universities. Universities prepare students for the professional world, where "political correctness" isn't a flaw, it's a feature.

http://fortune.com/2017/06/12/175-ceos-join-forces-for-diversity-and-inclusion/

[Anonymous]

How many college students wear costumes to class on Halloween like elementary school students?

When I was in college, no one did. We wore them that night while we got drunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many college students wear costumes to class on Halloween like elementary school students?

When I was in college, no one did. We wore them that night while we got drunk.

I don't think any of the articles spoke of students going to class. It's more about parties on campus, greek houses, etc, as well as social media posts. Also, note that the original article references the holiday "on Saturday." You all do know that these articles are two years old, don't you???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many college students wear costumes to class on Halloween like elementary school students?

When I was in college, no one did. We wore them that night while we got drunk.

I don't think any of the articles spoke of students going to class. It's more about parties on campus, greek houses, etc, as well as social media posts. Also, note that the original article references the holiday "on Saturday." You all do know that these articles are two years old, don't you???

Well, they aren't exactly going to ask their professor if their costume looks appropriate on the way to the Halloween frat party, right?

People on this thread who are getting so upset are ridiculous, it's like they've never stepped on a college campus before, if they really think students are actually going to go ask their professor if this costume is ok to get drunk in; too funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would an article detailing the exact same thing from the New York Times be more legit? Pc culture is absolute nonsense.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/cultural-appropriation-halloween-costumes.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/Q4bWszND3O

Yes, an article from the New York Times is more legit.

What does this article say? It says that lots of people are worrying about cultural appropriation. If you don't want to worry about cultural appropriation -- good news! you don't have to! If you want to go in blackface as Kanye West, go right ahead. There will be people who are upset about this, but you don't need to worry about their opinions, because you already know that "PC culture" is nonsense.

OP here. Who cares which paper it's in? It's not a matter of worrying; it's the fact that so many busybodies thrive on telling others how to live and careers and reputations can be ruined over perceived slights. And the fact that there are countless well paid college administrators being paid to micromanage and police what consenting adults do outside the classroom on their own time. Is this kind of coddling *really* preparing students for the real world? There's a fine line between colleges teaching youth how to be good citizens and the crap we have here where people are all but told what to think.

We're heading down a slippery slope as far as free speech and the nature of "tolerance" in America and the West. Who would have imagined 20-30 years ago that people could make a career out of being offended for other people and printing out leaflets about "appropriate" attire at off campus house parties?

Just some food for thought next time you write Larla's tuition check or bitch about the ballooning coast of education....cause of useless staff like these people at Wesleyan and SUNY.

Except...no.

Blackface has always been insulting and unacceptable. Even when your grandparents wore blackface at their Klan rallies, they knew they were being racist and disgusting, and their aim was to hurt African Americans. You know this.

So, the idea that we are on some slippery slope because your shitbag kids want to keep blackface alive or boil Latinos down to stereotypes is bullshit. Society no longer condones your evil behavior and you are not going to single out and denigrate minorities with impunity anymore. Go cry about it. Even better, keep your asshole kids off campus.

I like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would an article detailing the exact same thing from the New York Times be more legit? Pc culture is absolute nonsense.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/cultural-appropriation-halloween-costumes.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/Q4bWszND3O

So can I dress like a slutty priest then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When will this PC nonsense end? SOO glad I'm not in college anymore. The American university has truly become a graveyard for critical thinking and tolerance in the truest sense of the word. As in tolerant of all speech, not just "approved" speech.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297067/The-politically-correct-police-Colleges-post-flyers-advising-students-consult-faculty-Halloween-costumes-appropriate-not.html#comments

Would you allow your ES child to dress as a geisha? Or an Indian? Or, say, a Hassidic Jew?

Serious question. Answer it and then we can have a conversation about "PC"

I would allow my ES child to dress as a geisha or an Indian, yes of course. A Hassidic Jew? No.

Whew, you are really very stupid. Your line drawing is arbitrary and makes no sense. If mocking Hassids by acting as if their garb is a costume is not acceptable, then how is doing the same to Indians and Asians all right?

New poster here. I agree with the lines the previous poster drew.

First of all, Hassidic Jews are a religious group. While the Geisha and Indian (yes, as I understand it Indian culture is deeply spiritual) costumes draw on cultural stereotypes, they are not addressing somebody's faith. The majority of Hassid Jews (according to Wikipedia) live in New York and New Jersey. If somebody wanted to dress as a "typical" New Yorker (stockbroker, Rockette, taxi driver?), I would see that as more analagous to dressing up like a Geisha. I suspect when you're referring to the Indian costume, you mean a stereotype of a traditional Native American. If somebody wanted to dress up like a character from Braveheart, or a Gypsy, or a Gladiator (who were mostly slaves), would you be as offended?

Secondly, your post seems to say that picking a costume is done to mock the subject of the costume. While this may sometimes be the case (and is obvious when it is), it seems to me that it more frequently is the opposite. Most people pick a costume because there's some aspect about it that they admire/enjoy and want to experience for a night. As a child I dressed as a Geisha (or as I thought of it at the time a Japanese Princess). My thoughts were not to mock the Japanese and I had certainly never heard of cultural appropriation. Rather, because I was born in Japan (Air Force father), I had always felt a connection to that country. I'd been fascinated by their culture which I thought was amazing. Dressing up, however inauthentically, was my way of paying homage.

I think letting people celebrate other cultures is a way of reducing racism and intolerance. On St. Patrick's day it's said that everybody is Irish.
Nobody checks genealogies before wearing green.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would an article detailing the exact same thing from the New York Times be more legit? Pc culture is absolute nonsense.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us/cultural-appropriation-halloween-costumes.html?smid=tw-share&referer=https://t.co/Q4bWszND3O

Yes, an article from the New York Times is more legit.

What does this article say? It says that lots of people are worrying about cultural appropriation. If you don't want to worry about cultural appropriation -- good news! you don't have to! If you want to go in blackface as Kanye West, go right ahead. There will be people who are upset about this, but you don't need to worry about their opinions, because you already know that "PC culture" is nonsense.

OP here. Who cares which paper it's in? It's not a matter of worrying; it's the fact that so many busybodies thrive on telling others how to live and careers and reputations can be ruined over perceived slights. And the fact that there are countless well paid college administrators being paid to micromanage and police what consenting adults do outside the classroom on their own time. Is this kind of coddling *really* preparing students for the real world? There's a fine line between colleges teaching youth how to be good citizens and the crap we have here where people are all but told what to think.

We're heading down a slippery slope as far as free speech and the nature of "tolerance" in America and the West. Who would have imagined 20-30 years ago that people could make a career out of being offended for other people and printing out leaflets about "appropriate" attire at off campus house parties?

Just some food for thought next time you write Larla's tuition check or bitch about the ballooning coast of education....cause of useless staff like these people at Wesleyan and SUNY.

So actually, yes, it is good preparation for the real world. Or certainly the professional world. Where diversity and inclusiveness are real, actual values.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When will this PC nonsense end? SOO glad I'm not in college anymore. The American university has truly become a graveyard for critical thinking and tolerance in the truest sense of the word. As in tolerant of all speech, not just "approved" speech.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3297067/The-politically-correct-police-Colleges-post-flyers-advising-students-consult-faculty-Halloween-costumes-appropriate-not.html#comments

Would you allow your ES child to dress as a geisha? Or an Indian? Or, say, a Hassidic Jew?

Serious question. Answer it and then we can have a conversation about "PC"

I would allow my ES child to dress as a geisha or an Indian, yes of course. A Hassidic Jew? No.

Anyone who lets an ES aged kid dress up as a Japanese tea house entertainer and sex servant has bigger problems as a parent than cultural appropriation.