thoughts on the tea parties?

[Anonymous]

I was referring to attacks against Americans by Muslims. We were dicussing US/Muslim relations on the thread. Forgive me if I am wrong, but haven't more AMERICANS been killed by Muslim extremists over the last twenty years than other group? There was the first World Trade Center attack, the Khobar towers, the African embassies, the USS Cole and 911, etc. and those were just the larger attacks of the last twenty years against Americans.

Sorry, but I find this response to be totally disingenuous - I think you are backtracking. In addition to that, I don't get what point you are making. Yes, there are some pretty awful things that have happened to Americans (and others) at the hands of extremists that happened to be Muslim. There are some pretty awful things that have happened to Americans that were not Muslim. What exactly are you saying? That Muslims are collectively guilty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I was referring to attacks against Americans by Muslims. We were dicussing US/Muslim relations on the thread. Forgive me if I am wrong, but haven't more AMERICANS been killed by Muslim extremists over the last twenty years than other group? There was the first World Trade Center attack, the Khobar towers, the African embassies, the USS Cole and 911, etc. and those were just the larger attacks of the last twenty years against Americans.

Sorry, but I find this response to be totally disingenuous - I think you are backtracking. In addition to that, I don't get what point you are making. Yes, there are some pretty awful things that have happened to Americans (and others) at the hands of extremists that happened to be Muslim. There are some pretty awful things that have happened to Americans that were not Muslim. What exactly are you saying? That Muslims are collectively guilty?

First, I don't give a shit what you think. Second, why don't you go back and read the thread in its entirety before you respond.

[Anonymous]

Hey, I have been reading this thread in its entirety and I'm still not sure what path you all are going down. Seems to have gotten lost somewhere.

[Anonymous]

First, I don't give a shit what you think. Second, why don't you go back and read the thread in its entirety before you respond.

I see, so you don't know what your point is either!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I remember Pres Bush saying numerous times that Islam was a religion of Peace and at the service at the National Cathedral after 9/11--there was a Muslim minister (sorry I don't know what the proper name for that role) who spoke and some people gave Bush grief that a Muslim was involved in the service. Regarding IRA--has no context in what we are talking about since no IRA people flew planes into our country to kill 3,000 people..and if they did, you would hear more about them in the same context.

If you want to talk about actual terrorism attacks specifically against Americans within our borders, then Muslims have been responsible for two attacks - 9/11 and the prior world trade center bombing. But there have been many more acts of terrorism by people you would probably call "Americans", but others might say white protestants.

How many presidents have been shot by a Muslim?
How many muslims have opened fire within the U.S. Capitol?
How about Anthrax attacks?
Tylenol poisionings?
Lynchings of black people?
How many armed muslim militias are stomping around the woods of the Northwest?
Know any muslim skinheads?
Any muslims you know of shoot up a high school or college recently? kill all their co-workers?
Was the Oklahoma City bombing "masterminded" by Al Qaeda?
Is it Muslims that blow up abortion clinics?
Did Muslims hit the 1996 Olympics?

No, those are all things done mostly by white protestant groups and individuals, and a few catholics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous#1 wrote:I was referring to attacks against Americans by Muslims. We were dicussing US/Muslim relations on the thread. Forgive me if I am wrong, but haven't more AMERICANS been killed by Muslim extremists over the last twenty years than other group? There was the first World Trade Center attack, the Khobar towers, the African embassies, the USS Cole and 911, etc. and those were just the larger attacks of the last twenty years against Americans.

Anonymous#2 wrote:
Sorry, but I find this response to be totally disingenuous - I think you are backtracking. In addition to that, I don't get what point you are making. Yes, there are some pretty awful things that have happened to Americans (and others) at the hands of extremists that happened to be Muslim. There are some pretty awful things that have happened to Americans that were not Muslim. What exactly are you saying? That Muslims are collectively guilty?

Maybe reason is wasted here but I will try. #2 - the thread went off on a tangent when an apparent Muslim poster claimed that all Muslims hate President Bush and could not possibly support or appreciate his HIV/SIDS and anit-malarial campaigns in Africa because he slandered all Muslims after 911.

#1 and other pointed out that Bush did not slander all Muslims and went out of the way to make the point that while some elements in Islam are committed to our destruction, the fast majority of Muslims are peaceful.

#2, what everyone was saying is that Muslims are NOT collectively guilty - I am having a hard time seeing how you concluded exactly the opposite. However to deny that SOME Muslims are out for blood and have the will and the means to inflict harm on you, your family, me, my family, and on and on is truly disingenuous.

And a final thought - what does this have to do with the tea parties?

[Anonymous]

#2, what everyone was saying is that Muslims are NOT collectively guilty - I am having a hard time seeing how you concluded exactly the opposite. However to deny that SOME Muslims are out for blood and have the will and the means to inflict harm on you, your family, me, my family, and on and on is truly disingenuous.

So your entire point is that some Muslims are terrorists? I'm not sure that someone whose entire argument has now been whittled away to a truism has any basis to invoke lack of reason into the discussion...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember Pres Bush saying numerous times that Islam was a religion of Peace and at the service at the National Cathedral after 9/11--there was a Muslim minister (sorry I don't know what the proper name for that role) who spoke and some people gave Bush grief that a Muslim was involved in the service. Regarding IRA--has no context in what we are talking about since no IRA people flew planes into our country to kill 3,000 people..and if they did, you would hear more about them in the same context.

If you want to talk about actual terrorism attacks specifically against Americans within our borders, then Muslims have been responsible for two attacks - 9/11 and the prior world trade center bombing. But there have been many more acts of terrorism by people you would probably call "Americans", but others might say white protestants.

How many presidents have been shot by a Muslim?
How many muslims have opened fire within the U.S. Capitol?
How about Anthrax attacks?
Tylenol poisionings?
Lynchings of black people?
How many armed muslim militias are stomping around the woods of the Northwest?
Know any muslim skinheads?
Any muslims you know of shoot up a high school or college recently? kill all their co-workers?
Was the Oklahoma City bombing "masterminded" by Al Qaeda?
Is it Muslims that blow up abortion clinics?
Did Muslims hit the 1996 Olympics?

No, those are all things done mostly by white protestant groups and individuals, and a few catholics.

Nice try blaming Christians for terrorist attacks against other Americans, but the majority of the events that you list above were not committed by organized terrorists but by deranged individuals, most did not happen in the last twenty years, and collectively do not come close to the death and destruction that took place on the single day of 9/11.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I remember Pres Bush saying numerous times that Islam was a religion of Peace and at the service at the National Cathedral after 9/11--there was a Muslim minister (sorry I don't know what the proper name for that role) who spoke and some people gave Bush grief that a Muslim was involved in the service. Regarding IRA--has no context in what we are talking about since no IRA people flew planes into our country to kill 3,000 people..and if they did, you would hear more about them in the same context.

If you want to talk about actual terrorism attacks specifically against Americans within our borders, then Muslims have been responsible for two attacks - 9/11 and the prior world trade center bombing. But there have been many more acts of terrorism by people you would probably call "Americans", but others might say white protestants.

How many presidents have been shot by a Muslim?
How many muslims have opened fire within the U.S. Capitol?
How about Anthrax attacks?
Tylenol poisionings?
Lynchings of black people?
How many armed muslim militias are stomping around the woods of the Northwest?
Know any muslim skinheads?
Any muslims you know of shoot up a high school or college recently? kill all their co-workers?
Was the Oklahoma City bombing "masterminded" by Al Qaeda?
Is it Muslims that blow up abortion clinics?
Did Muslims hit the 1996 Olympics?

No, those are all things done mostly by white protestant groups and individuals, and a few catholics.

Nice try blaming Christians for terrorist attacks against other Americans, but the majority of the events that you list above were not committed by organized terrorists but by deranged individuals, most did not happen in the last twenty years, and collectively do not come close to the death and destruction that took place on the single day of 9/11.

I'm not blaming christians. I am saying that most of the bad stuff that has happened on US soil is not muslim. You have exactly two days in U.S. history where Muslims killed americans on american soil.

As for the list, if you leave off the office/school shootings, the rest meet the government definition of terrorist acts. I think you are discounting a very long history of terrorism in the United States and pointing to two historical events as your evidence of something inherently bad with muslims. Well, it may be today's issue, but there are plenty of armed groups stomping around the U.S. right now, and they aren't waving a Koran. It's only good luck that they haven't done anything recently.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP that said Muslims hate Bush.

I did not say Muslims do not appreciate the assistance he has offered Africa. What I said was that they will not overlook the fact that he demonized an entire religion with his actions because with his other hand he offered Africa assistance.

Everybody already knows that SOME muslims commit terrorism. They are people in need of psychiatric help. Or they are corrupted souls. So what? That doesn't say anything horrible about our faith per se because 99.9% of Muslims do not commit terrorism. So what exactly is your point? To help garner more hatred towards Muslims?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP that said Muslims hate Bush.

I did not say Muslims do not appreciate the assistance he has offered Africa. What I said was that they will not overlook the fact that he demonized an entire religion with his actions because with his other hand he offered Africa assistance.

Everybody already knows that SOME muslims commit terrorism. They are people in need of psychiatric help. Or they are corrupted souls. So what? That doesn't say anything horrible about our faith per se because 99.9% of Muslims do not commit terrorism. So what exactly is your point? To help garner more hatred towards Muslims?

And I will not overlook the fact that a percentage of Muslims want all Americans, including children, dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everybody already knows that SOME muslims commit terrorism. They are people in need of psychiatric help. Or they are corrupted souls. So what? That doesn't say anything horrible about our faith per se because 99.9% of Muslims do not commit terrorism. So what exactly is your point? To help garner more hatred towards Muslims?

One more thing, a poll was taken after 9/11 where 40% of British Muslims said Osama was right to attack the U.S. Just because 99.9% (and I believe your number is off but whatever) of Muslims aren't physically strapping suicide vests on, doesn't mean that they are peaceful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm the PP that said Muslims hate Bush.

I did not say Muslims do not appreciate the assistance he has offered Africa. What I said was that they will not overlook the fact that he demonized an entire religion with his actions because with his other hand he offered Africa assistance.

Everybody already knows that SOME muslims commit terrorism. They are people in need of psychiatric help. Or they are corrupted souls. So what? That doesn't say anything horrible about our faith per se because 99.9% of Muslims do not commit terrorism. So what exactly is your point? To help garner more hatred towards Muslims?

And I will not overlook the fact that a percentage of Muslims want all Americans, including children, dead.

Just like a percentage of Americans want all Muslims dead. So what? I know those are crazy people who aren't worth my time. It doesn't make me demonize Americans.

[Anonymous]

Just like a percentage of Americans want all Muslims dead. So what? I know those are crazy people who aren't worth my time. It doesn't make me demonize Americans.

Well said, though I'm sure the point will be lost on the ranting idiot who is convinced that Muslims are inherently blood-thirsty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Just like a percentage of Americans want all Muslims dead. So what? I know those are crazy people who aren't worth my time. It doesn't make me demonize Americans.

Well said, though I'm sure the point will be lost on the ranting idiot who is convinced that Muslims are inherently blood-thirsty.

You're right. I should give up on beating my head against this particular wall.