
I think the tea parties were great and well received. Calling people racists? Hmmm a racist would be someone who maybe attended a church whose idealogy was based on hate and maybe hung out with racists. Oh...hmmm oh yes..that is our president course let's also add that classy guy Senator Byrd..or should I say Clansman Byrd. |
Why give a gift with the right hand but hold a daggar with your left hand? Bush demonized Islam and all Muslims after 9/11. Yes, many many Muslims really fear and hate Bush as a result. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful, law abiding and love America though, esp the ones that live here. To Muslims, America and Bush are a dichotomy. We distinguish the two. |
So you ARE arguing that all Muslims think as one, while accusing Bush of claiming that all Muslims are terrorists? Really?
Look, the fact of the matter is that every 911 terrorist WAS Muslim, and every one claimed to be acting in the name of their faith. Bush and the US govt. went to great lengths to tell the world that while all the terrorists were Muslim, they certainly did not believe that all Muslim's were terrorists. I remember him publically stating that Islam is a religion of peace (although many scholars disputed that). You are welcome to feel and believe what you want, but the facts don't support you here. |
PP, while the vast majority of Muslims may be peaceful, almost every major terrorist attack of the last twenty years has been orchestrated by Muslims. Perhaps, the vast majority should start to weed out the extremists if they ever want to be thought of as peaceful. |
Look, I mean this in the nicest way, but are you on drugs? Have you ever heard of the Shining Path, the Tamil Tigers. the various off-shoots of the IRA, the Lord's Resistance Army, or countless other terrorist groups that are not Muslim? These groups are responsible for far more deaths than al-Qaida. Just because they don't target Americans or Israelis doesn't mean they don't exist or the people they kill are not important. You are correct that almost every attack that has received major publicity has been committed by Muslims. But, that says more about media bias and the parochial interests of people like you then it does about reality. Google the 2008 Christmas Massacres committed by the LRA in Uganda which killed nearly 500 people and ask yourself why there wasn't wall to wall coverage on cable news. |
Oh please. You can't hold the "vast majority" of Muslims responsible for extremists any more that we can hold you personally accountable for American extremists like Jim Jones or Timothy McVeigh or Fred Phelps. |
So what if the 911 terrorists were Muslim. Hitler was German? So are all Germans devils? David Koresh was a evangelist/born again Christian? Does that make all born again Christians demons? Think about your logic, or actually the lack of your logic. Bush had to make that public announcement because by that time Many Sikhs who people were mistaking for Muslims were being beaten or killed or terrorized in some way. Muslim women who covered their hair were tormented. People would shout to any dark skinned person they suspected was Muslim, "Go back to you country!" The damage was done. It was too late. By using words like Islamic Facism and constantly bringing religion into the discussion, he had the effect of demonizing not just the true terrorists, but our entire religion. And that was very scary to us. What do you mean when you say scholars dispute that Islam is a religion of peace? Have you studied it? Can you translate the Quran properly? Without that knowledge you have no idea what you are asserting here. There are a few translations that are interpreted literally by non-Muslims. You can not read the Quran literally. It is a historial book, to be interpreted in historical context. If you don't know the history its easy to jump to conclusions. I have been living here for much of my life and I consider myself to be an American Muslim. I would never belong to a religion that advocated hate and killing of nonMuslims for no other reason other than the simple fact that they are nonMuslim. |
It's not my job to change the mindset of extremists. If I ever hear of anyone talking about committing a terrorist activity, I'd be on the phone with the authorities in a heartbeat. But I'm not going further than that. I have a house to maintain, a family to raise, a life to live. This is what I mean when I say my religion has been hijacked and demonized. |
Yep, and ETA (spain), FARC (Colombia), Timothy McVeigh, Tupac Amaru (peru), ELN (Columbia), Unabomber. And that doesn't count all the wackos that shoot up our schools, send anthrax in the mail, or try to poision our food supply. Of course if we went back a little farther we would have Puerto Rican nationalists shooting up the Capitol, the Klan, Baader-Meinhof/Red Army (Germans)... you get the picture. |
I remember Pres Bush saying numerous times that Islam was a religion of Peace and at the service at the National Cathedral after 9/11--there was a Muslim minister (sorry I don't know what the proper name for that role) who spoke and some people gave Bush grief that a Muslim was involved in the service. Regarding IRA--has no context in what we are talking about since no IRA people flew planes into our country to kill 3,000 people..and if they did, you would hear more about them in the same context. |
So terrorism only matters when Americans are killed? Nice. |
I was referring to attacks against Americans by Muslims. We were dicussing US/Muslim relations on the thread. Forgive me if I am wrong, but haven't more AMERICANS been killed by Muslim extremists over the last twenty years than other group? There was the first World Trade Center attack, the Khobar towers, the African embassies, the USS Cole and 911, etc. and those were just the larger attacks of the last twenty years against Americans. |
No, but it matters on this thread where we were discussing US/Muslim relations. |
But did you read the thread? The 8.21 poster argued that "almost every major terrorist attack of the last twenty years has been orchestrated by Muslims". The response by Jeff pointed out numerous examples of terrorist attacks that weren't orchestrated by Muslims. So, I don't see how it is irrelevant to the discussion to introduce examples of non-Muslim orchestrated terrorist attacks. |
How about we translate this to "almost every major terrorist attack [against Americans] of the last twenty years has been orchestrated by Muslims" - which I sincerely believe was the posters intent. Look, one poster said all Muslims hate Bush because he called them terrorists - the following posters disputed that claim - rightly so because it is not true. It is a logical fallacy to translate "All the 911 hijackers were Muslim" around to "All Muslim's are terrorists" - Bush for all of his many many faults did not do this. The poster that accused him of doing so was wrong, and I suspect the majority of Muslims would understand the distinction (although as a Christian I do not pretend to speak for them.) |