Anyone regret their Vbac?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My friend and her baby almost died when her uterine scar ruptured during labor with her second child. She for sure regrets it. Horrible experience for her. Not worth the risk, IMO, and I refused to try despite a VERY pushy OB who never stopped bugging me to attempt trial of labor. I s--t you not, she was still bugging me when I was in the OR with the anesthesiologist about to give me the epidural. Crazy. Glad I skipped it; DC2 was BIG with a 91st %ile head![/quote]

Vaginal birth of a baby with a head that was above the 99th percentile here. Uneventful and fine. Just FYI, in case anyone thought that having a large head meant an automatic C-section. It does not.

No, a large head does not "mean an automatic c-section," but sorry: a large baby/large head absolutely are contraindicated for a successful VBAC. Your personal success story is irrelevant in the big picture. When things go wrong a VBAC, they go very gravely wrong. The current natural birth fad has influenced - dare I say brainwashed - too many women into thinking they're less of a woman or a mother if they don't have a vaginal birth, but there's an important other side to this issue. VBACs can be successful but they are dangerous.

*sorry for the double post; my new post was embedded in the quote for some reason.

GAH!! Did it again!

[Anonymous]

For those looking to make informed choices with evidenced based studies, I found Henci Goer to be helpful (and correct, in that my Cervidil induction due to AMA, from a local midwifery practice, was more likely than not to end in C/S. It did.)

[Anonymous]

PP. Here is her site. http://www.hencigoer.com/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP. Here is her site. http://www.hencigoer.com/

Utter, nonscientific bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For those looking to make informed choices with evidenced based studies, I found Henci Goer to be helpful (and correct, in that my Cervidil induction due to AMA, from a local midwifery practice, was more likely than not to end in C/S. It did.)

Totally incorrect. Recent research indicatea that labor induction with cervadil actually reduces c sections.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those looking to make informed choices with evidenced based studies, I found Henci Goer to be helpful (and correct, in that my Cervidil induction due to AMA, from a local midwifery practice, was more likely than not to end in C/S. It did.)

Totally incorrect. Recent research indicatea that labor induction with cervadil actually reduces c sections.

I think you have an axe to grind. It's been a few months, but I'm pretty sure Cervidil is contraindicated for inducing labor with previous c-section.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those looking to make informed choices with evidenced based studies, I found Henci Goer to be helpful (and correct, in that my Cervidil induction due to AMA, from a local midwifery practice, was more likely than not to end in C/S. It did.)

Totally incorrect. Recent research indicatea that labor induction with cervadil actually reduces c sections.

I think you have an axe to grind. It's been a few months, but I'm pretty sure Cervidil is contraindicated for inducing labor with previous c-section.

I think the PP was talking about induction in general, not induction after a C-section. At any rate, Henci Goer is a undeducated hack, not a doctor, midwife, or even a nurse. I hope the educated women of DCUM can do better "research" than that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP. Here is her site. http://www.hencigoer.com/

Utter, nonscientific bullshit.

For the non-scientists among us, please cite what you find nonscientific about her work. Bullshit as a qualifier doesn't strike me as sound science, but I studied art so what do I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My friend and her baby almost died when her uterine scar ruptured during labor with her second child. She for sure regrets it. Horrible experience for her. Not worth the risk, IMO, and I refused to try despite a VERY pushy OB who never stopped bugging me to attempt trial of labor. I s--t you not, she was still bugging me when I was in the OR with the anesthesiologist about to give me the epidural. Crazy. Glad I skipped it; DC2 was BIG with a 91st %ile head!

Vaginal birth of a baby with a head that was above the 99th percentile here. Uneventful and fine. Just FYI, in case anyone thought that having a large head meant an automatic C-section. It does not.

No, a large head does not "mean an automatic c-section," but sorry: a large baby/large head absolutely are contraindicated for a successful VBAC. Your personal success story is irrelevant in the big picture. When things go wrong a VBAC, they go very gravely wrong. The current natural birth fad has influenced - dare I say brainwashed - too many women into thinking they're less of a woman or a mother if they don't have a vaginal birth, but there's an important other side to this issue. VBACs can be successful but they are dangerous.

Sorry, no. At least unless all those - I thought - competent, thoughtful OBs at GW are just a bunch of malpracticing nincompoops. My first was over ten pounds, and my second, a successful VBAC - encouraged, by the way, by the OBs as an all around better, safer option in most cases - was born a month early at over 9 pounds.

And I think you need to examine why you think "natural birth" (do you mean vaginal? unmedicated?) is a "fad" that has "brainwashed" women. In the first place, women are able to feel good or bad about their births, vaginal, surgical, medicated or otherwise - no one brainwashes us into thinking a thing. For another the current push is a correction to the fact that VBACs are safe, not inherently dangerous, and, practically speaking, they've been difficult to get in the last ten years. Listen, I'm sorry if you have an issue, but it's clear that you do have an issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For those looking to make informed choices with evidenced based studies, I found Henci Goer to be helpful (and correct, in that my Cervidil induction due to AMA, from a local midwifery practice, was more likely than not to end in C/S. It did.)

Totally incorrect. Recent research indicatea that labor induction with cervadil actually reduces c sections.

I think you have an axe to grind. It's been a few months, but I'm pretty sure Cervidil is contraindicated for inducing labor with previous c-section.

I think the PP was talking about induction in general, not induction after a C-section. At any rate, Henci Goer is a undeducated hack, not a doctor, midwife, or even a nurse. I hope the educated women of DCUM can do better "research" than that.

She was talking about cervidil on a VBAC thread. And I've found Henci's writing to be pretty much in line with what I read everywhere else, as well as how my OBs practice. Can you point to which "bullshit" the "hack" has written?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For those looking to make informed choices with evidenced based studies, I found Henci Goer to be helpful (and correct, in that my Cervidil induction due to AMA, from a local midwifery practice, was more likely than not to end in C/S. It did.)

Totally incorrect. Recent research indicatea that labor induction with cervadil actually reduces c sections.

Please cite, and yes, I was talking about no previous C/S, not vbac.

And seriously, for the non-scientist crowd, please explain why you think her work is not valid. She is not a doctor, but a medical writer who combs through mountains of research. I understand you think her work is invalid because she is not a doctor, but what would be more helpful to me is for you to pick some of her work and explain WHY it is hackery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. Heard that tears/issues down below can be just as difficult as c section recovery. Any truth to that?

I had a quick recovery from my csection. My sister was in pain for over a year from her vaginal birth (ended up having to get restitched).

I had a 2nd degree tear (so not even that bad) and 5 years later, have had a lot of issues, including fecal incontinence. If I had known, I would've gone for the C-section in a heartbeat. But I couldn't have known beforehand...

Do you have prolapse? This is probably from pregnancy too, not just the actual birth.

[Anonymous]

I have had two prior c-sections and am 5 weeks along with #3. I agree with PPs who have said that it's impossible to know ahead of time which will be better. Some people recover in a snap from vaginal deliveries, and some have lasting fecal incontinence. Some are fine, and others' babies almost died due to rupture. I'm not sure how to begin to weigh those risks against those of a scheduled c-section. I think we all agree that a schedule c-section is far different than an emergency c-section.
I would love to have a vbac -- I definitely want the whole labor experience. But if I had a uterine rupture, I would never forgive myself. And as other PPs have pointed out, it's impossible to know ahead of time whether my uterus is thick enough to withstand the contractions or whether it will rupture. I would just be chancing it. Yes, a scheduled c-section has risks associated with it, the risk of the baby dying is not really one of them. I really want the vaginal delivery so much, but I want a good outcome the most. I have recovered well from both prior c-sections (the emergency and the scheduled) and I know what to expect, for me and for the baby. I don't fault anyone who makes a different choice -- I have days where I'm convinced I should at least try a TOLAC. I will hate telling the doc to schedule me a cesarean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Op here. Heard that tears/issues down below can be just as difficult as c section recovery. Any truth to that?

I had a quick recovery from my csection. My sister was in pain for over a year from her vaginal birth (ended up having to get restitched).

I had a 2nd degree tear (so not even that bad) and 5 years later, have had a lot of issues, including fecal incontinence. If I had known, I would've gone for the C-section in a heartbeat. But I couldn't have known beforehand...

Do you have prolapse? This is probably from pregnancy too, not just the actual birth.

No, I don't.

[Anonymous]

You'd regret it if you ruptured or had a horrible shoulder dystocia or were ripped from stem to stern with forceps.

Unfortunately, you can't know any of this in advance. How badly do you want vaginal birth?

I'd never attempt a VBAC without an OB and continuous fetal monitoring in an excellent hospital with a NICU.