residency cheater

[Anonymous]

I mean *was the house that your friend owns* - dang, my typing is terrible today! Alas, it is Friday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would just be VERY SURE the student has no ties to your district. A friend of my childs got called on 4-5 times during a semester she was mainly staying with her grandmother because her mother was going through intensive chemo and as a family they all stayed at the childs grandparents house/mothers parents house. They lived in the appropriate district but when people say the grandmas car all the time at pick up with the wrong license plate they would call. I felt so bad for the mother and child because they were really trying to keep things low key and it turned into anything but.

Thank you! We do realize that people do have cars registered in different states, right? People don't always change things over (for their own personal reasons). I know of several DC residents who have MD/VA registered cars, and MD residents who have DC registered cars. We don't know 100% about people's personal lives and I don't think it's up to us to try to figure it out.

See, that's not the fault of the people calling in to report. That's on whoever is running the office that handle residency fraud. One a report is made, it should be entered into some kind of database. When everything "checks out" they don't need to keep running checks (at least for that school year) because they would already have that family's info entered into the system. The people that are calling when they see those MD plates don't know that someone else has called.

I just find the argument "but you shouldn't call, because how can you KNOW?" ridiculous. Of course a person seeing these non-DC plates doesn't know. They are calling the hotline number so that appropriate investigation can take place in order to determine if there is residency fraud. Why are people so resistant to the idea of letting the system work the way it is supposed to work, to a quiet process for determining if there is a residency violation? If there isn't, then no harm, no foul. If there is, then it's dealt with as it should be because people who aren't residents should not be attending that school!

To be clear on this, I don't even live in DC (just lurk on this forum) so I don't have a dog in this fight but my sympathies are 100% with the folks who err on the side of caution and call if they see something that makes them think there is a possibility of residency fraud.

For the family that had the grandma doing pick up. I can sympathize with the desire to not make a huge public announcement, but I also think it would have made sense for them to inform the school about the pick up arrangements, and the reason for them. I think it would have been good for the student if the teachers and guidance counselor were aware of the tough times they were going through. School staff is there to help with emotional issues, not just academic.

[Anonymous]

Thanks OP! I think what you are doing great

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?

You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.

-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS

PP, tell us. How do you plan to prove residency and enroll by the deadline?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks OP! I think what you are doing great

Applause and Curtain! Can we shut this down now? This is a rehash of a rehash of a rehash of a...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?

You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.

-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS

PP, tell us. How do you plan to prove residency and enroll by the deadline?

I have the necessary documents (DC driver's license and registration) for residency proof with my name and the DC address on them. And yes, I am the parent of the child enrolling. Not an aunt or cousin.

[Anonymous]

It's the vow to call weekly that makes you sound so extra petty OP. Do what you feel you have to do, by why are you relishing this so much? That seems odd and mean spirited.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?

You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.

-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS

Great, thanks for sharing.

[Anonymous]

I think the OP is doing the right thing.

And for the PP who didn't know the name: the neighbor across the street on Bewitched was Mrs. Kravitz.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.
I know the PG county (yes, it's PG) address and phone number for this family (via simple google search). I know they don't live in the DC house because I am friends with the people who own the house!
It appears these cheaters picked an address out of the phone book and it worked (so far).
I will keep emailing and calling until this is resolved.
I hate this kind of deception.

For starters, google can also show previous addresses and phone numbers. If I google myself, it'll say I live in Germantown, MD with an old house number. I haven't lived there in years. Secondly, it sure is a crazy coincidence that the address they just so happened to randomly pick out of the phone book was the phone that your friend's own. Let's explore further.

1) Are you sure these people aren't renting the house, with your "friends" as landlords?

2) Why did you google the family in the first place? What gave you the initial suspicion?

3) How in hell could this family possibly prove residency at a house that they have NO connection with? It's not like they're using their mom's address or their auntie's address. That makes no sense.

NP. This part is quite easy. Too easy. Never understood why a pay stub was a required document.

For me its a simple as:
1) log on to HR system at work
2) click change personal information
3) change address to 4130 Albermarle St NW
4) wait until my payday Friday and print pay stub with new address. Badda bing!

A person that has does that (especially with high IB population) has a lot of balls. And it's very likely if it's a neighborhood school, OP would know the owner of this random address. I have only lived in my small neighbhood 3 years and know about 2 people on every 10 house block.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here.
Why is anyone defending those who live in Maryland but uses fake addresses to attend DCPS?I really don't understand.
Could those of you who defended residency fraud in this post, please explain?
I honestly don't understand.

This is not a case of "I see Maryland tags in the carpool line and they must be from Maryland".
This is a case of people fraudulently claiming to live at an address they 100% DO NOT LIVE AT. I would stake my life on this fact. I know with absolute certainty.
(neither parents lives there, no guardian lives there. NO ONE related to the child lives there).

Probably cheaters themselves. Please do report it. I'd be ticked if someone stole my address to commit fraud.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the OSSE hotline number.

Washingtonians--These are our schools paid for by our tax dollars. Look at how many D.C. parents were disappointed on lottery day.
It's one thing to be waitlisted fair and square, but it's another thing to lose your spot to a family that has made none of the sacrifices--financial and otherwise--that we make to live in the District.
If you think MD residents would take kindly to D.C. residents enrolling in their best schools, you're mistaken.

[Anonymous]

I don't care whether you report people or not. I just don't understand why this same thread with the same comments gets created every other month. Report the people if you feel you should, but for god's sake, refrain from creating a new thread about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In bounds or OOB? Why would an MD family send their DC to DCPS when MCPS has good options?

You do realize that MD is not JUST MOCO, right? PG is just as close and I'd bet that if there is truly a MD family there, they are from PG.

-Signed a PG resident who applied to MySchoolDC with a DC address and got matched at a HRCS

Don't take the bait. Please.

14:10 here. Forgot to add that we are able to prove DC residency. We aren't crazies who just played the lottery with a made-up address.

You can't prove DC residency without violating DC law in the event you are actually a resident of PG County. You can be a resident of two different jurisdictions supimultaneously. You may not consider your self a crazy, but you are nevertheless a thief engaging in an act of criminal fraud.

I'm not either of these PPs, but re: teh bolded language above -- which I think the PP meant to say "You CAN'T be a resident of two different jurisdictions....". Not to play devil's advocate, but.... there is not a single place in the DC education law (direclty or by reference) that defines "resident" for these purpuses. If you start to look at the definition of "resident" for other legal purposes, there are actually a ton of laws under which you can be a resident of two places at once. For example, federal US tax law defines resident to include any US citizen. Regardless of whether you live in the US. So you can have been born here and lived in Canada your whole life, and you clearly and untestedly fall within the definition of "resident" for US tax law.

Therefore, when a law is intended to apply to only one place of residence, you wlil generally see terms like "primary residence" or "closest connection". So, to use the above example, US tax treaties with other countries always talk about residence as the place you have a closer connection with - so you don't get double-taxed by both countries. The DC education laws make no reference to "primary residence" or anything simliar. Just residence. So actually, if you took it to court on the basis that you had two residences (even if you didn't really live in the DC residence), i think you'd probably win.

I don't know if PP with the DC/MD address has a legitimate residence in DC, but assuming they keep two properties, but happen to sleep most of the time in MD, I think by law they would be entitled to DC schools.

[Anonymous]

My friend lives half time in the Hamptons and half time in the west village. Is she a residence cheat too? Oh wait, no. She's rich.

I just truly do not understand the mindset that could loom at a small child, with a family dedicated enough to drive them to school every day (possibly from far away), and then try and have them kicked out, based on some partial information about their personal life that you do not know.

You can't be a very happy person. Even with your child in the jklm. This we know.