Do you think Shepherd Elementary will become/is becoming more diverse?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We're PK parents targeting Shepherd next year.

I'm honestly turned off by Janney (and AU park) due to its disconnect with the city's racial makeup. There's something really odd to me about a kid going to public school in a city that's 50% black and only having 9% of the school's population of that color. We're white, but I want my kid to understand that the world around him is not all like him.

With regards to "diversity," part of the reason we do like Shepherd is that there is true economic diversity in the school (33% FARMS), with a fair portion in the middle-to-high income part of the spectrum. This is an on-going debate here, but I think that level of financial stability leads to more engaged parents, better student performance, better student behavior, and an all-around better educational experience for all of the kids. But its not like it's a school of rich brats.


And I'm honestly turned off by the growing comfort with white loathing on DCUM, often by people who say they're white.

Here are facts:

Janney has 71% of its students whose parents state that the kids are "all 100% white." It has 29% percent of kids whose parents say their kids' skin is not white, and has different pretty colors that are not white: black,, black and white, yellow and white, russet and white, black and yellow, yellow and russet. Whatever.

Sheperd has 80% of its students whose parents state their kids are "all 100% black." It has 20% of children whose skin color does not line up with the 80% dominant color of skin. That's 20% non-dominant pretty colors at Sheperd, compared to 29% non-dominant pretty colors at Janney.

So using facts, which are often inconvenient and uncomfortable in these kinds of breezy, acceptable anti-whte comments, we see that the reviled Janney has more skin tone diversity than Sheperd. You cannot dispute this.

[as an aside, Sheperd is 80% black in a city whose population is about 48% black at this time. Why is that not "imbalanced" for PP? It's only imbalanced when the white piece of the enrollment pie is outsized, but it's not imbalanced when the black piece of the enrollment pie is outsized, as with Sheperd. Correct, PP? ]

So comments like PPs really distill down to, eh, I don't want to be around white folk.

-- a multiracial observer of DCUM protocol. Who is often assumed to be Greek, or maybe Egyptian, but in fact is neither and has a little black and a little white in her.


Not sure how long you've been observing but in the 5+ years I've been reading DCUM, I can't say I've seen much of this white loathing you're talking about. The irony in this conversation is that Shepherd Elementary is pretty exemplary of the opposite. It has scores way above average, higher SES population, a relatively low percentage of FARMS, ideal class sizes, it offers the rare inter baccalaureate programming, and it has a newly renovated building on a beautiful campus. These are all factors that most DCUMers clamor for, yet Shepherd is hardly mentioned on anyone's most-desired list. You could say that it's because the school's location makes it difficult, but any observer of DCUM could be forgiven for thinking that it's because the school is mostly black.

If you're having a hard time believing that a higher number of black kids brings down the value of a school in DCPS discussions, search the forum for Hearst, Hardy, Ludlow-Taylor, Ellington, or the terms OOB and flip. More than any "white loathing", you'll see a sentiment of it would be great if there weren't so many black kids.

And if there is the occasional I don't want my kid at JKLM, it might be because of the way people express their true feelings about "diversity" in these threads.
Anonymous
11:09: you sound silly. You showed your ignorance in your original post on this topic, so why bring it up again?
Anonymous
Shepherd IB PK poster here. I just want to say that the JKLMM schools sound great on many levels. Students obviously get to go to school with almost universally well-prepared peers, there seems to be a vast array of extracurriculars not available EOTP (unless in charters), and the parent community is a great resource in terms of time and financial support. I know of families in Shepherd Park who are trying to lottery into JKLM schools. And you know what? Their calculus was different from ours, but they're trying to do the best for their kids just like we are.

For us, I think Shepherd was the right decision. For any families who put socioeconomic diversity fairly high on the list of priorities, Shepherd is a good choice. Of course, it's not perfect (e.g., partial kitchen with no stove or oven that a coalition of families are pushing to get renovated, no off-street parking, almost 20% "at-risk" students particularly in the upper grades, etc.), but I have yet to hear of that unicorn school that is truly perfect on every level.

Finally--and I'm probably screaming in the wind here--let's try to be civil. Unless things change re: boundaries (as some posters keep insisting re: Shepherd), many of our kids will be in school together for middle and/or high school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Shepherd IB PK poster here. I just want to say that the JKLMM schools sound great on many levels. Students obviously get to go to school with almost universally well-prepared peers, there seems to be a vast array of extracurriculars not available EOTP (unless in charters), and the parent community is a great resource in terms of time and financial support. I know of families in Shepherd Park who are trying to lottery into JKLM schools. And you know what? Their calculus was different from ours, but they're trying to do the best for their kids just like we are.

For us, I think Shepherd was the right decision. For any families who put socioeconomic diversity fairly high on the list of priorities, Shepherd is a good choice. Of course, it's not perfect (e.g., partial kitchen with no stove or oven that a coalition of families are pushing to get renovated, no off-street parking, almost 20% "at-risk" students particularly in the upper grades, etc.), but I have yet to hear of that unicorn school that is truly perfect on every level.

Finally--and I'm probably screaming in the wind here--let's try to be civil. Unless things change re: boundaries (as some posters keep insisting re: Shepherd), many of our kids will be in school together for middle and/or high school.


P.S. Although I tried to be transparent and mention some of Shepherd's challenges, there are many positives as well that have been already mentioned by other posters. Because it's a small school with a little over 300 students, although this is our first year I already feel like I know many of the families there, even in other grades. There's a warm, friendly and welcoming atmosphere. The IB curriculum emphasizes critical thinking skills and an international perspective. The only other IB DCPS elementary schools are Cooke and Thomson; for charters there is YY, and for private, there is WIS. There is an engaged parent community--just now I ran out to run errands and passed the school, where Shepherd parents and neighbors of all racial backgrounds have gathered to clean up and beautify the grounds. The test scores are decent and rising, and are the best of any elementary school serving predominantly students of color in DC. If you break out by subgroup, AA students at Shepherd actually do better than those at JKLMM. So there are a bunch of positives that go without saying.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shepherd IB PK poster here. I just want to say that the JKLMM schools sound great on many levels. Students obviously get to go to school with almost universally well-prepared peers, there seems to be a vast array of extracurriculars not available EOTP (unless in charters), and the parent community is a great resource in terms of time and financial support. I know of families in Shepherd Park who are trying to lottery into JKLM schools. And you know what? Their calculus was different from ours, but they're trying to do the best for their kids just like we are.

For us, I think Shepherd was the right decision. For any families who put socioeconomic diversity fairly high on the list of priorities, Shepherd is a good choice. Of course, it's not perfect (e.g., partial kitchen with no stove or oven that a coalition of families are pushing to get renovated, no off-street parking, almost 20% "at-risk" students particularly in the upper grades, etc.), but I have yet to hear of that unicorn school that is truly perfect on every level.

Finally--and I'm probably screaming in the wind here--let's try to be civil. Unless things change re: boundaries (as some posters keep insisting re: Shepherd), many of our kids will be in school together for middle and/or high school.


P.S. Although I tried to be transparent and mention some of Shepherd's challenges, there are many positives as well that have been already mentioned by other posters. Because it's a small school with a little over 300 students, although this is our first year I already feel like I know many of the families there, even in other grades. There's a warm, friendly and welcoming atmosphere. The IB curriculum emphasizes critical thinking skills and an international perspective. The only other IB DCPS elementary schools are Cooke and Thomson; for charters there is YY, and for private, there is WIS. There is an engaged parent community--just now I ran out to run errands and passed the school, where Shepherd parents and neighbors of all racial backgrounds have gathered to clean up and beautify the grounds. The test scores are decent and rising, and are the best of any elementary school serving predominantly students of color in DC. If you break out by subgroup, AA students at Shepherd actually do better than those at JKLMM. So there are a bunch of positives that go without saying.


This is the kind of post that's valuable - honest, balanced, first-hand impressions.

I, too, wish for civility but the honesty that comes with anonymity also has its value. I'm mid-forties and have lived in DC 20 plus years but the racial divide that's exposed in these forums has made me feel truly naive. The ugliness is sometimes breathtaking, but I'm glad I know about it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Aren't the WOTP schools actually more diverse than Shepherd?

The JKLM's are only around 70% Caucasian, Shepherd is around 80% AA. Not saying either is better or worse, just saying it is not accurate that Shepherd is more diverse.


NW schools are more diverse than Shepherd in absolutely every meaningful way.

Having said that, it is not bad to see some degree of self-delusion and rationalization it is human nature.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aren't the WOTP schools actually more diverse than Shepherd?

The JKLM's are only around 70% Caucasian, Shepherd is around 80% AA. Not saying either is better or worse, just saying it is not accurate that Shepherd is more diverse.


NW schools are more diverse than Shepherd in absolutely every meaningful way.

Having said that, it is not bad to see some degree of self-delusion and rationalization it is human nature.


Of course, that depends on what's meaningful to you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Aren't the WOTP schools actually more diverse than Shepherd?

The JKLM's are only around 70% Caucasian, Shepherd is around 80% AA. Not saying either is better or worse, just saying it is not accurate that Shepherd is more diverse.


NW schools are more diverse than Shepherd in absolutely every meaningful way.

Having said that, it is not bad to see some degree of self-delusion and rationalization it is human nature.


Shepherd is also in NW. But more importantly, how does one objectively determine what is "meaningful" diversity and what isn't?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ok, purported "white" person who doesn't want to be around white people. You're wrong again. Ward 3 actually has some decent "skin color" diversity. Which you would know if you ever left Columbia heights or petworth.

After careful consideration and reviewing dcum closely, I am convinced that the many young, often newer-to-DC posters like the above have never actually spent any time in 20015, 20008 or 20016.

PP here. If you're insinuating that I'm not white - I assure you, I'm as white as they come. Mom is a card carrying DAR member.

I spend plenty of time in the 20015, which is where my impressions mostly come from. At brunch and BBQ get-together with our friends (and their neighbors) in AU park, I've been subjected to the echo chamber of how amazing Janney is and what an amazing neighborhood AU park is. I'm happy for you all that you love where you live - there's a lot to be said for that. But when I try to broach the subject that there may actually be a few other acceptable schools in DC, I'm quickly met with doubtful glances. And when I ask about diversity, I'm told the tales of how the IMF and World Bank parents bring all the diversity that's needed. I'm also regaled by stories of the handful of OOB parents and how they don't really "get" the auction, how their kids are often disruptive because of late arrivals by driving "across the city," etc. It's just no an environment I'd like to be in, nor would I want my kids to be subjected to.

I'm sure you're going to tell me that the group of people I've encountered are really not representative of the school, and how everyone's SES and racially diverse and accepting of all skin colors, religions, and paychecks...but I'll give you the same doubtful glance that I get while eating fritatta with those folks.



Let me chime in from another part of 20015 that includes both Ward 3 & 4. We are a current Lafayette family, live in the neighborhood and everything. Same conversations, different details. Same type of insufferable people.


Reread. The question wasn't "Are there insufferable smug people in these zip codes who attend barbecues?" Of course there are. [The epicenter of insufferable is actually further south though, in "I tell myself I did everything in DC first!"-land. Bloomingdale and Logan Circle, CH. I ride a bike! I eat local! I live in a rowhouse!]

The above comment was in response to the BBQ-goers earlier statement that upper NW only contains white people. That is patently way untrue, as any cursory glance at 2010 census data will show.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hello neighbor. Honest question. Would you have the same hesitation to send your kid to Janney or Lafayette that has the same makeup but switch black and white? Not being snarky, just an honest question.

To answer your question, I don't agree with PP. The school has already changed immensely. The first PK3 class that opened this year was made of 100% neighborhood kids that reflect the neighborhood demos. I would also say that last year's PK and K were similar.


you can find an honest answer to your question on DCUM, where I read posts from AA parents questioning whether to send their AA child to a predominantly white school (even Janney, there were posts recently, with some posters saying that AA kids IB for Janney go OOB to Eaton precisely because they do not want to be one of the few AA kids in a school predominantly white). so yes, sounds like this kind of concern (being the only XYZ child in a class where all other kids are another "race") is shared by people of various backgrounds, and is not necessarily a sign that OP is racist (unless you conclude that an AA family who does not send child to Janney is also racist)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The way the term "Upper Caucasia" is thrown around on DCUM right along with "whitey" is pretty disturbing. Racial slurs don't have a good place anyway. (And, yes, I know some people think it is funny. It isn't.)


+1. As a matter of fact, NW, even Ward 3, if much more representative of our country's population at large than any other part of the city. We don't live in Nigeria, you know?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The way the term "Upper Caucasia" is thrown around on DCUM right along with "whitey" is pretty disturbing. Racial slurs don't have a good place anyway. (And, yes, I know some people think it is funny. It isn't.)


+1. As a matter of fact, NW, even Ward 3, if much more representative of our country's population at large than any other part of the city. We don't live in Nigeria, you know?


Don't think so. Where do the Hispanics live in Ward 3?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The way the term "Upper Caucasia" is thrown around on DCUM right along with "whitey" is pretty disturbing. Racial slurs don't have a good place anyway. (And, yes, I know some people think it is funny. It isn't.)


Give me a freaking break. Did you not see the Living Social map of DC a few years back? Every neighborhood had a true to form name. Get over yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The way the term "Upper Caucasia" is thrown around on DCUM right along with "whitey" is pretty disturbing. Racial slurs don't have a good place anyway. (And, yes, I know some people think it is funny. It isn't.)


+1. As a matter of fact, NW, even Ward 3, if much more representative of our country's population at large than any other part of the city. We don't live in Nigeria, you know?


I live in DC for a reason. I don't want to live in the rest of the country. I know what it looks like and I'm not interested.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The way the term "Upper Caucasia" is thrown around on DCUM right along with "whitey" is pretty disturbing. Racial slurs don't have a good place anyway. (And, yes, I know some people think it is funny. It isn't.)


+1. As a matter of fact, NW, even Ward 3, if much more representative of our country's population at large than any other part of the city. We don't live in Nigeria, you know?


Don't think so. Where do the Hispanics live in Ward 3?


WE certainly don't live in Anacostia, so please dont invoke us to justify your very strange white-black "diversity" issues.
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