Protests against the new Charlie Hebdo issue cover are starting-how long until rioting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of this subject, I heard an interesting news story on WAMU on the way home from work. They were interviewing public school officials over in France in areas where the students are majority Muslim. They had trouble with the moment of silence. The majority of the students flat out refused to observe the moment of silence in rememberance of the victims. One teacher interviewed said approximately 80% of her students refused.

They also interviewed a few people on the street. The views expressed by many in the Muslim community was that the kosher grocery store seige was staged and the US, and that the whole thing was set up by Israel and the US and the terrorists were just set up - the whole thing just a plot to make Muslims look bad.

Always with Israel, the eternal scapegoat for losers such as these.

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this quote from the article to me:

"'It is not permitted to kill and also it is not permitted to humiliate a billion Muslims,' he said.

How exactly does a cartoon or a physical depiction of Muhammed "humiliate" Muslims?

It's not really something that our mindset can properly understand.

Maybe Muslima could explain it better to us. As a Christian, it offends me to see anyone make fun of God or Jesus, but it certainly doen't "humiliate" me, I just feel sorry for the people doing it and pray that they find salvation. I certainly don't take it as an assault or insult on me personally. I don't understand how insulting Muhammad humiliates Muslims.

I don't know if "humiliate" is the right word, I don't think english was his first language. To understand Muslims' usual angry reactions at pornographic depictions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or insults, you have to understand the Love Muslims have for the Prophet (saw). It is a requirement of the Islamic faith to love the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than you love yourself, your parents, your children, your wealth, anything else in this world. So, for most Muslims, they love the Prophet (saws) more than anything else in this world, and if you insult him, you just have insulted the dearest thing to them and they take it as a personal offense. I have seen Muslims get incredibly sad, cry till they get sick when people insult the Prophet (saw), they are deeply deeply hurt. It might just be satire, or humor to you, but this is more an emotional reaction than a theologian one for most Muslims. They are hurt and some just don't know how to express this pain. I guess for a Non-Muslim, it would be as if you dearly love your mother and someone depicts her in pornographic images and insults her, that would be offensive to you. I will say: we defend the things we love. That is one way we can show our love.For most ordinary Muslims, the CH controversy is not really about the cover, its about the sentiment it carries. It's that someone knows that it could be offensive to you and they perceive to seek to offend you and that's the sore point . It is a source of sensitivity for many people. You have to also understand that Muslims are not Islam, there is a rainbow of us, but the thing that draws us together is this commonality in the belief of one God and that he sent many messengers , the last being Prophet Muhammad SAW and our love for him. Now, having said that, in absolutely clear words, warranting no discussion, the Quran never enjoins people to murder or persecute those who mock Islam or any of its precepts or prophets. On the contrary, it advises us to resolve such issues either through peaceful and civil dialogue, or by simply ignoring such remarks.

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't, my goodness, get a grip. They are exercising their right to freedom of speech by marching and saying what they believe in and what they are protesting against. Would you be happier if they murdered more people?

and we are exercising our freedom of speech by saying that Muslims in the Philippines would spend their time more wisely if they protested against the thousands in Syria, Iraq and Nigeria who desecrate Islam and commit blasphemy against their Prophet by killing and raping thousands of innocent in the name of Allah and the Quran, instead of marching against a magazine published in a country on the other side of the world.

Oh, so now you have to tell them what they need to be angry about or protest against ? Got it!!!

Well, when you're comparing a supposedly blasphemous picture to the death of many, I'd say it's an unfair competition - at least in the eyes of humanitarians.

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this quote from the article to me:

"'It is not permitted to kill and also it is not permitted to humiliate a billion Muslims,' he said.

How exactly does a cartoon or a physical depiction of Muhammed "humiliate" Muslims?

It's not really something that our mindset can properly understand.

Maybe Muslima could explain it better to us. As a Christian, it offends me to see anyone make fun of God or Jesus, but it certainly doen't "humiliate" me, I just feel sorry for the people doing it and pray that they find salvation. I certainly don't take it as an assault or insult on me personally. I don't understand how insulting Muhammad humiliates Muslims.

I don't know if "humiliate" is the right word, I don't think english was his first language. To understand Muslims' usual angry reactions at pornographic depictions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or insults, you have to understand the Love Muslims have for the Prophet (saw). It is a requirement of the Islamic faith to love the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than you love yourself, your parents, your children, your wealth, anything else in this world. So, for most Muslims, they love the Prophet (saws) more than anything else in this world, and if you insult him, you just have insulted the dearest thing to them and they take it as a personal offense. I have seen Muslims get incredibly sad, cry till they get sick when people insult the Prophet (saw), they are deeply deeply hurt. It might just be satire, or humor to you, but this is more an emotional reaction than a theologian one for most Muslims. They are hurt and some just don't know how to express this pain. I guess for a Non-Muslim, it would be as if you dearly love your mother and someone depicts her in pornographic images and insults her, that would be offensive to you. I will say: we defend the things we love. That is one way we can show our love.For most ordinary Muslims, the CH controversy is not really about the cover, its about the sentiment it carries. It's that someone knows that it could be offensive to you and they perceive to seek to offend you and that's the sore point . It is a source of sensitivity for many people. You have to also understand that Muslims are not Islam, there is a rainbow of us, but the thing that draws us together is this commonality in the belief of one God and that he sent many messengers , the last being Prophet Muhammad SAW and our love for him. Now, having said that, in absolutely clear words, warranting no discussion, the Quran never enjoins people to murder or persecute those who mock Islam or any of its precepts or prophets. On the contrary, it advises us to resolve such issues either through peaceful and civil dialogue, or by simply ignoring such remarks.

ok
Let me get this straight.

So your prophet (wth is up with "saw?"), who can't be seen, is taunted, and that's apparently more important than the death of people who had families and friends and who lived, loved, and laughed.

I definitely get it.

priorities are fucked up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys don't feed the troll.

+1. When will people realize that Muslima is just a very polite troll? She has no self-awareness, says ridiculous things, never tries to think about things from a non-Muslim's perspective and seemingly exists only to irritate other posters. She is not doing Muslims any favors by being their de-facto representative on DCUM.

I think it's kind of fun to read her posts b/c they're circular - always wrapping back around to the Quran.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guys don't feed the troll.

+1. When will people realize that Muslima is just a very polite troll? She has no self-awareness, says ridiculous things, never tries to think about things from a non-Muslim's perspective and seemingly exists only to irritate other posters. She is not doing Muslims any favors by being their de-facto representative on DCUM.

Polite
lol

far from it

She is aggressive - and very angry.

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:Damned if you do, Damned if you don't, my goodness, get a grip. They are exercising their right to freedom of speech by marching and saying what they believe in and what they are protesting against. Would you be happier if they murdered more people?

I think it's a matter of time, sadly.

Yeh and more Muslims will die to in the name of freedom and democracy, it is a vicious circle ~

Yeh, and more Islamist extremist will senselessly kill in the name of their Prophet. Now, the children are being brought on board to do the dirty work.

Yeh, a sad vicious circle ~

just like your reasoning

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this quote from the article to me:

"'It is not permitted to kill and also it is not permitted to humiliate a billion Muslims,' he said.

How exactly does a cartoon or a physical depiction of Muhammed "humiliate" Muslims?

It's not really something that our mindset can properly understand.

Maybe Muslima could explain it better to us. As a Christian, it offends me to see anyone make fun of God or Jesus, but it certainly doen't "humiliate" me, I just feel sorry for the people doing it and pray that they find salvation. I certainly don't take it as an assault or insult on me personally. I don't understand how insulting Muhammad humiliates Muslims.

I don't know if "humiliate" is the right word, I don't think english was his first language. To understand Muslims' usual angry reactions at pornographic depictions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or insults, you have to understand the Love Muslims have for the Prophet (saw). It is a requirement of the Islamic faith to love the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than you love yourself, your parents, your children, your wealth, anything else in this world. So, for most Muslims, they love the Prophet (saws) more than anything else in this world, and if you insult him, you just have insulted the dearest thing to them and they take it as a personal offense. I have seen Muslims get incredibly sad, cry till they get sick when people insult the Prophet (saw), they are deeply deeply hurt. It might just be satire, or humor to you, but this is more an emotional reaction than a theologian one for most Muslims. They are hurt and some just don't know how to express this pain. I guess for a Non-Muslim, it would be as if you dearly love your mother and someone depicts her in pornographic images and insults her, that would be offensive to you. I will say: we defend the things we love. That is one way we can show our love.For most ordinary Muslims, the CH controversy is not really about the cover, its about the sentiment it carries. It's that someone knows that it could be offensive to you and they perceive to seek to offend you and that's the sore point . It is a source of sensitivity for many people. You have to also understand that Muslims are not Islam, there is a rainbow of us, but the thing that draws us together is this commonality in the belief of one God and that he sent many messengers , the last being Prophet Muhammad SAW and our love for him. Now, having said that, in absolutely clear words, warranting no discussion, the Quran never enjoins people to murder or persecute those who mock Islam or any of its precepts or prophets. On the contrary, it advises us to resolve such issues either through peaceful and civil dialogue, or by simply ignoring such remarks.

ok
Let me get this straight.

So your prophet (wth is up with "saw?"), who can't be seen, is taunted, and that's apparently more important than the death of people who had families and friends and who lived, loved, and laughed.

I definitely get it.

priorities are fucked up

Your implication that they somehow condone Boko Haram or don't care about the 2000 dead in Nigeria because they protested about the cartoons is a frightening display of your inability to engage in simple comprehension. So yes, I will agree with you, priorities are F* up !

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:Yes, you certainly can, just like I can use mine to say how ridiculous and idiotic it is for a bunch of cartoonists not to have anything better to do than sit in a room and caricature people highly-held in regard by different groups of people. There's got to be a more noble way of earning a living other than making minorities/immigrants feel small in your country by satirizing their iconic figures. But hey, to each their own~

right . . . b/c sitting in an office creating satirical pieces kills people

Oh - wait - it GETS you killed.



So this -



as opposed to this (and I found a picture that wasn't disgustingly graphic and disturbing, as these folks are alive) -

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone explain this quote from the article to me:

"'It is not permitted to kill and also it is not permitted to humiliate a billion Muslims,' he said.

How exactly does a cartoon or a physical depiction of Muhammed "humiliate" Muslims?

It's not really something that our mindset can properly understand.

Maybe Muslima could explain it better to us. As a Christian, it offends me to see anyone make fun of God or Jesus, but it certainly doen't "humiliate" me, I just feel sorry for the people doing it and pray that they find salvation. I certainly don't take it as an assault or insult on me personally. I don't understand how insulting Muhammad humiliates Muslims.

I don't know if "humiliate" is the right word, I don't think english was his first language. To understand Muslims' usual angry reactions at pornographic depictions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or insults, you have to understand the Love Muslims have for the Prophet (saw). It is a requirement of the Islamic faith to love the Prophet (peace be upon him) more than you love yourself, your parents, your children, your wealth, anything else in this world. So, for most Muslims, they love the Prophet (saws) more than anything else in this world, and if you insult him, you just have insulted the dearest thing to them and they take it as a personal offense. I have seen Muslims get incredibly sad, cry till they get sick when people insult the Prophet (saw), they are deeply deeply hurt. It might just be satire, or humor to you, but this is more an emotional reaction than a theologian one for most Muslims. They are hurt and some just don't know how to express this pain. I guess for a Non-Muslim, it would be as if you dearly love your mother and someone depicts her in pornographic images and insults her, that would be offensive to you. I will say: we defend the things we love. That is one way we can show our love.For most ordinary Muslims, the CH controversy is not really about the cover, its about the sentiment it carries. It's that someone knows that it could be offensive to you and they perceive to seek to offend you and that's the sore point . It is a source of sensitivity for many people. You have to also understand that Muslims are not Islam, there is a rainbow of us, but the thing that draws us together is this commonality in the belief of one God and that he sent many messengers , the last being Prophet Muhammad SAW and our love for him. Now, having said that, in absolutely clear words, warranting no discussion, the Quran never enjoins people to murder or persecute those who mock Islam or any of its precepts or prophets. On the contrary, it advises us to resolve such issues either through peaceful and civil dialogue, or by simply ignoring such remarks.

ok
Let me get this straight.

So your prophet (wth is up with "saw?"), who can't be seen, is taunted, and that's apparently more important than the death of people who had families and friends and who lived, loved, and laughed.

I definitely get it.

priorities are fucked up

Your implication that they somehow condone Boko Haram or don't care about the 2000 dead in Nigeria because they protested about the cartoons is a frightening display of your inability to engage in simple comprehension. So yes, I will agree with you, priorities are F* up !

Honey, there's no compassion in your posts.

You're robotic and that's b/c you're brainwashed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of this subject, I heard an interesting news story on WAMU on the way home from work. They were interviewing public school officials over in France in areas where the students are majority Muslim. They had trouble with the moment of silence. The majority of the students flat out refused to observe the moment of silence in rememberance of the victims. One teacher interviewed said approximately 80% of her students refused.

They also interviewed a few people on the street. The views expressed by many in the Muslim community was that the kosher grocery store seige was staged and the US, and that the whole thing was set up by Israel and the US and the terrorists were just set up - the whole thing just a plot to make Muslims look bad.

Always with Israel, the eternal scapegoat for losers such as these.

Yup. I hear they're responsible for global warming, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of this subject, I heard an interesting news story on WAMU on the way home from work. They were interviewing public school officials over in France in areas where the students are majority Muslim. They had trouble with the moment of silence. The majority of the students flat out refused to observe the moment of silence in rememberance of the victims. One teacher interviewed said approximately 80% of her students refused.

They also interviewed a few people on the street. The views expressed by many in the Muslim community was that the kosher grocery store seige was staged and the US, and that the whole thing was set up by Israel and the US and the terrorists were just set up - the whole thing just a plot to make Muslims look bad.

Always with Israel, the eternal scapegoat for losers such as these.

Yup. I hear they're responsible for global warming, too.

Yes, they also kidnap Muslim children and kill them to use their blood to make Matzah. How evil and disgusting.

[Anonymous]

And so it begins...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of this subject, I heard an interesting news story on WAMU on the way home from work. They were interviewing public school officials over in France in areas where the students are majority Muslim. They had trouble with the moment of silence. The majority of the students flat out refused to observe the moment of silence in rememberance of the victims. One teacher interviewed said approximately 80% of her students refused.

They also interviewed a few people on the street. The views expressed by many in the Muslim community was that the kosher grocery store seige was staged and the US, and that the whole thing was set up by Israel and the US and the terrorists were just set up - the whole thing just a plot to make Muslims look bad.

That's sad to hear, and also quite disturbing.

[Anonymous]

New protests in Pakistan now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2911717/Hang-cartoonists-Pakistani-Muslims-demand-death-sentence-Charlie-Hebdo-staff.html

Pakistani Muslims today called for the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists to be hanged for drawing the Prophet Mohammed on its latest front cover.

As worldwide protests continued for a second day, nearly 300 people from a religious group rallied in the eastern city of Lahore, carrying placards saying 'Down with Charlie Hebdo'.

One banner read: 'Making blasphemy cartoon of the Prophet is the worst act of terrorism. The sketch-makers must be hanged immediately.'

Cartoonist Renald Luzier, who drew the image, had argued earlier this week that there should be no exceptions to freedom of expression.
Meanwhile funerals for four of his colleagues - the victims of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last week - were held in France today.
The Lahore rally came as Pakistani lawmakers staged their own demonstrations outside parliament after passing a resolution condemning the image of Islam's prophet in the French satirical newspaper.

Meanwhile, Turkey also denounced the prophet cartoons as an 'open provocation'.
'Freedom of the press does not mean freedom to insult,' Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu told reporters in Ankara before heading for talks with EU leaders in Brussels.


Apparently, drawing a cartoon of Muhammad is worse than murder to some people....