Homogeneity allows for more progressive policy. T/F?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks. How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. They kick down your door in a drug raid. Do you shoot cops? Really?

Ask Bundy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks. How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. They kick down your door in a drug raid. Do you shoot cops? Really?

Ask Bundy.

Obviously the criminal won in that case.

[Anonymous]

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks. How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. They kick down your door in a drug raid. Do you shoot cops? Really?

A great example would be the American revolution, fact of the matter is DHS is growing and the Military is shrinking, last time I checked the creed of DHS did not say it "serves the American people" the creed of a soldier on the other hand does. I will never give up my fire arms it is as simple as that, our gov Arms terrorists, they arm drug cartels, they tell us we don't need guns to protect our family, yet every wealthy person in this country has a security detail. How many cops have killed people with no fire arm, our society in whole is in decay and I for one care enough about my family to stand up for them, the best way to stop a "bad guy" with a gun is with a gun, flowers don't work didn't we learn that at Kent state?

Dude, you need your own Fact Check. The entire DHS for this year is $44 billion. Ten of that is the Coast Guard, pretty sure they take the oath. 11 of that is CBP, they take the oath. Oh wait come to think of it all civil servants take the oath. 5 U.S.C. §3331

Meanwhile the Defense budget is $621B, $820 if you include the vets. Even adjusted for inflation, that's more than Reagan spent and he supposedly defeated communism.

Lastly, I learned a lot about Kent State. The students were killed by soldiers firing M1 rifles, not cops.

[Anonymous]

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks. How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. They kick down your door in a drug raid. Do you shoot cops? Really?

A great example would be the American revolution, fact of the matter is DHS is growing and the Military is shrinking, last time I checked the creed of DHS did not say it "serves the American people" the creed of a soldier on the other hand does. I will never give up my fire arms it is as simple as that, our gov Arms terrorists, they arm drug cartels, they tell us we don't need guns to protect our family, yet every wealthy person in this country has a security detail. How many cops have killed people with no fire arm, our society in whole is in decay and I for one care enough about my family to stand up for them, the best way to stop a "bad guy" with a gun is with a gun, flowers don't work didn't we learn that at Kent state?

Dude, you need your own Fact Check. The entire DHS for this year is $44 billion. Ten of that is the Coast Guard, pretty sure they take the oath. 11 of that is CBP, they take the oath. Oh wait come to think of it all civil servants take the oath. 5 U.S.C. §3331

Meanwhile the Defense budget is $621B, $820 if you include the vets. Even adjusted for inflation, that's more than Reagan spent and he supposedly defeated communism.

Lastly, I learned a lot about Kent State. The students were killed by soldiers firing M1 rifles, not cops.

That is an oath not he creed, they are different, before you start running your mouth, please try to know what your talking about.

A creed is only a belief. An oath is a promise, a commitment to uphold it.

But hey it's fine if you want to trash the oath to uphold the constitution in order to parse a small semantic distinction. I mean you already told us raft cops shot students at Kent State so truth is obviously very flexible to you.

[Anonymous]

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks. How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. They kick down your door in a drug raid. Do you shoot cops? Really?

A great example would be the American revolution, fact of the matter is DHS is growing and the Military is shrinking, last time I checked the creed of DHS did not say it "serves the American people" the creed of a soldier on the other hand does. I will never give up my fire arms it is as simple as that, our gov Arms terrorists, they arm drug cartels, they tell us we don't need guns to protect our family, yet every wealthy person in this country has a security detail. How many cops have killed people with no fire arm, our society in whole is in decay and I for one care enough about my family to stand up for them, the best way to stop a "bad guy" with a gun is with a gun, flowers don't work didn't we learn that at Kent state?

The American revolution was a different world. So different it's practically a different planet, a different universe altogether. The technology our government has now renders your "right to defend against the tyrant King of England" quaint. We are left with firearms that seem to only serve to slaughter innocent school kids and citizens, and the government runs amok in other ways. Platitudes and sentiment, with which your post is rife, are useless. Tell me how, in Tianamen Square (sp) or during a traffic stop with a power tripping cop who body cavity searches you, how are your guns going to help you? In these real, modern world examples?

[Anonymous]

liamw wrote:So what your saying is that people who work harder and apply them self should have the same as those who don't

Not that poster, but I would say that people who have not had the same advantages and luck that you and I have had also deserve a basic standard of living. It is in your and my best interest to have a populace that is NOT starving, NOT homeless, and NOT uneducated. Happy to pay my taxes so that our streets don't become something out of a Dickens novel.

[Anonymous]

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks. How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity. They kick down your door in a drug raid. Do you shoot cops? Really?

A great example would be the American revolution, fact of the matter is DHS is growing and the Military is shrinking, last time I checked the creed of DHS did not say it "serves the American people" the creed of a soldier on the other hand does. I will never give up my fire arms it is as simple as that, our gov Arms terrorists, they arm drug cartels, they tell us we don't need guns to protect our family, yet every wealthy person in this country has a security detail. How many cops have killed people with no fire arm, our society in whole is in decay and I for one care enough about my family to stand up for them, the best way to stop a "bad guy" with a gun is with a gun, flowers don't work didn't we learn that at Kent state?

The American revolution was a different world. So different it's practically a different planet, a different universe altogether. The technology our government has now renders your "right to defend against the tyrant King of England" quaint. We are left with firearms that seem to only serve to slaughter innocent school kids and citizens, and the government runs amok in other ways. Platitudes and sentiment, with which your post is rife, are useless. Tell me how, in Tianamen Square (sp) or during a traffic stop with a power tripping cop who body cavity searches you, how are your guns going to help you? In these real, modern world examples?

So what you are saying is no leader no where on the planet has become tyrannical ? What you are saying is we because we live in the now should surrender ALL rights ?

What I am saying is that we have passed the point where an armed populace can resist tyranny. We must now rely on the rule of law and the democratic process. Yes that scares me too. But I am not going to fool myself into thinking that because I own a rifle or a handgun, I can stop the government from abusing my rights.

[Anonymous]

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:So what your saying is that people who work harder and apply them self should have the same as those who don't

Not that poster, but I would say that people who have not had the same advantages and luck that you and I have had also deserve a basic standard of living. It is in your and my best interest to have a populace that is NOT starving, NOT homeless, and NOT uneducated. Happy to pay my taxes so that our streets don't become something out of a Dickens novel.

I grew up at the dead end of a dirt road, with the closest walmart over 30 minutes away, with an avj income of my town of 12k I made it through hard work they can to. People CHOOSE not to go to school, people CHOOSE to make the urban culture more important that success, people CHOOSE to live a gang life, people make choices and choices have consequences.

Being a minority is not a choice. And being a minority means that you do have fewer opportunities than white people. You know it's true. White privilege is real. - Very white lady

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

liamw wrote:So what your saying is that people who work harder and apply them self should have the same as those who don't

Not that poster, but I would say that people who have not had the same advantages and luck that you and I have had also deserve a basic standard of living. It is in your and my best interest to have a populace that is NOT starving, NOT homeless, and NOT uneducated. Happy to pay my taxes so that our streets don't become something out of a Dickens novel.

I grew up at the dead end of a dirt road, with the closest walmart over 30 minutes away, with an avj income of my town of 12k I made it through hard work they can to. People CHOOSE not to go to school, people CHOOSE to make the urban culture more important that success, people CHOOSE to live a gang life, people make choices and choices have consequences.

Being a minority is not a choice. And being a minority means that you do have fewer opportunities than white people. You know it's true. White privilege is real. - Very white lady

Sorry, I don’t agree. It is much, much easier for a minority candidate to get a scholarship, a grant, and sometimes even a job. If you have children college-age, you would know this. Finding scholarships or grants or tuition assistance for white middle-class students is pretty tough. Because of affirmative action, a minority is just as likely, if not more so, to get a job over a white person - all things being equal.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

woah someone bumped up my old ass thread.

[Anonymous]

OP here - crazy I made this thread a year ago and I remembered it today over the whole #blacklivesmatter vs. Bernie Sanders brouhaha that's going down.

[Anonymous]

Again, a big part of our problem is that we have a set of rich white Republicans out there convincing poor white people that poor brown people are the cause of their problems.

Norway isn't immune from that, either - remember Anders Breivik?

[Anonymous]

Bottom line - when DC wanted to integrate Deal and people realized it would drop their property values, as well as create other issues, they balked. As well they should have.

[Anonymous]

I am the OP of this thread, and the results tonight made me think of this thread that I started a year and a half ago. The 2016 cycle on the D side has been a brilliant test case for my question.

After effectively tying in Iowa and winning in a crushing way in NH, if Bernie loses the nomination I will know that my OP is 100% validated.