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[quote=Anonymous][quote=liamw][quote=Anonymous][quote=liamw][quote=Anonymous][quote=liamw]Ummm I value gun rights because its how you defend the rest of your rights...........[/quote]

Give me a few examples of how having a gun protects you from the govt.

The govt is coming to mow you down in tanks.  How does your gun help you?

The cops are coming to your house, maybe it's a case of mistaken identity.  They kick down your door in a drug raid.  Do you shoot cops?  Really?[/quote]

A great example would be the American revolution, fact of the matter is DHS is growing and the Military is shrinking, last time I checked the creed of DHS did not say it "serves the American people" the creed of a soldier on the other hand does. I will never give up my fire arms it is as simple as that, our gov Arms terrorists, they arm drug cartels, they tell us we don't need guns to protect our family, yet every wealthy person in this country has a security detail. How many cops have killed people with no fire arm, our society in whole is in decay and I for one care enough about my family to stand up for them, the best way to stop a "bad guy" with a gun is with a gun, flowers don't work didn't we learn that at Kent state? [/quote]

Dude, you need your own Fact Check.  The entire DHS for this year is $44 billion.  Ten of that is the Coast Guard, pretty sure they take the oath.  11 of that is CBP, they take the oath.  [b]Oh wait come to think of it all civil servants take the oath.  5 U.S.C. §3331

[/b]Meanwhile the Defense budget is $621B, $820 if you include the vets.  Even adjusted for inflation, that's more than Reagan spent and he supposedly defeated communism.

Lastly, I learned a lot about Kent State.  The students were killed by soldiers firing M1 rifles, not cops.[/quote]

That is an oath not he creed, they are different, before you start running your mouth, please try to know what your talking about.

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A creed is only a belief. An oath is a promise, a commitment to uphold it.

But hey it's fine if you want to trash the oath to uphold the constitution in order to parse a small semantic distinction. I mean you already told us raft cops shot students at Kent State so truth is obviously very flexible to you. [/quote]

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