Unsafe college campuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Alcohol. It is a poison on college campuses. Everyone is at risk on the campuses when they are drunk. Just think what a better environment it would be if students did not binge drink. But students learn from parents and our culture that we are an alcohol obsessed society. When people are drunk things can spun out of control. Why? Because half these college students are not in control of their minds when they are plastered and can do some really terrible things. The entire work hard, play hard badge of honor at colleges is just a very bad environment for growing up and making good decisions. There would be far fewer rapes, deaths, injuries, and mental health issues on college campuses if you took alcohol out of the equation. When I was in college every student I knew who had an accident, was date raped, died, or almost died, failed classes etc- alcohol was the biggest factor.

And yet there is little correlation between the schools reputed to be the biggest party schools and the schools that are (statistically at least) most unsafe: http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

[Anonymous]

I also wish we could have the drinking age discussion without being shouted down by MADD. Maybe a starting point is allowing colleges some autonomy in setting drinking regulations on campus - no changes with regard to DUI laws - just allow responsible drinking on campus.

I totally agree. I remember thinking we were on the verge of having an intelligent discussion about this in early 2001 when George W. Bush's daughters got in trouble for underage drinking, then September 11 happened and no one talked about anything else for years. I arrived at my SLAC right after kegs had been banned at my and many other similar schools. The alternative to the disallowed cheap beer became cheap vodka and a lot more kids went to the hospital because of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol. It is a poison on college campuses. Everyone is at risk on the campuses when they are drunk. Just think what a better environment it would be if students did not binge drink. But students learn from parents and our culture that we are an alcohol obsessed society. When people are drunk things can spun out of control. Why? Because half these college students are not in control of their minds when they are plastered and can do some really terrible things. The entire work hard, play hard badge of honor at colleges is just a very bad environment for growing up and making good decisions. There would be far fewer rapes, deaths, injuries, and mental health issues on college campuses if you took alcohol out of the equation. When I was in college every student I knew who had an accident, was date raped, died, or almost died, failed classes etc- alcohol was the biggest factor.

And yet there is little correlation between the schools reputed to be the biggest party schools and the schools that are (statistically at least) most unsafe: http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

Probably because those schools are filled with liberal students who are more likely to discuss topics like rape culture and more likely to report rapes. I don't believe there are more rapes than before. I believe that there is an increase in reporting it, and this increase has started in SLACs. As a result, the SLACs look more unsafe.

An ASU sorority student is probably not going to report a rape because of fear of social ostracization.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol. It is a poison on college campuses. Everyone is at risk on the campuses when they are drunk. Just think what a better environment it would be if students did not binge drink. But students learn from parents and our culture that we are an alcohol obsessed society. When people are drunk things can spun out of control. Why? Because half these college students are not in control of their minds when they are plastered and can do some really terrible things. The entire work hard, play hard badge of honor at colleges is just a very bad environment for growing up and making good decisions. There would be far fewer rapes, deaths, injuries, and mental health issues on college campuses if you took alcohol out of the equation. When I was in college every student I knew who had an accident, was date raped, died, or almost died, failed classes etc- alcohol was the biggest factor.

And yet there is little correlation between the schools reputed to be the biggest party schools and the schools that are (statistically at least) most unsafe: http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

Probably because those schools are filled with liberal students who are more likely to discuss topics like rape culture and more likely to report rapes. I don't believe there are more rapes than before. I believe that there is an increase in reporting it, and this increase has started in SLACs. As a result, the SLACs look more unsafe.

An ASU sorority student is probably not going to report a rape because of fear of social ostracization.

Nice try, but I doubt there is a significant difference in reporting - at least not significant enough to account for the data reported. Schools that are politically liberal encourage a looser morality and more after the act regrets.

[Anonymous]

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Nice try, but I doubt there is a significant difference in reporting - at least not significant enough to account for the data reported. Schools that are politically liberal encourage a looser morality and more after the act regrets.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the huge party schools just don't rape drunk girls cause they have such tight morals over there. Not like those dumb unruly hippies. And yes, that is enough to account for the amount reported. Most SLACs are small. You only need a few extra people reporting to boost the percentage of reported rapes way up, especially when it's something like Amherst vs Louisiana State, where LSU has 13 times the number of students.

[Anonymous]

Can we also point out that "after the fact regrets" are such a minimal part of the equation? I was raped, by someone I was dating, after telling him no penetratitive sex, he initiated again, I stopped him, he initiated again more aggressively, I couldn't stop him as well, and when it was done I ran out and left. That wasn't an after the fact regret, that was assault without consent. People like you would call that after the fact regret.

I am curious to know where the statistics are on this "after the fact regret" meme is coming from. As a survivor who has connected with other survivors, I don't actually believe that it is as prevalent as I hear tossed around here.

[Anonymous]

I didn't even mention "after the fact regrets". The only posts I made are 16:51 and 20:10.

And, no, I'd call that assault and rape.

[Anonymous]

It's fruitless to argue that the government crime stats are wrong. Better to try to understand why SLACS are so dangerous?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol. It is a poison on college campuses. Everyone is at risk on the campuses when they are drunk. Just think what a better environment it would be if students did not binge drink. But students learn from parents and our culture that we are an alcohol obsessed society. When people are drunk things can spun out of control. Why? Because half these college students are not in control of their minds when they are plastered and can do some really terrible things. The entire work hard, play hard badge of honor at colleges is just a very bad environment for growing up and making good decisions. There would be far fewer rapes, deaths, injuries, and mental health issues on college campuses if you took alcohol out of the equation. When I was in college every student I knew who had an accident, was date raped, died, or almost died, failed classes etc- alcohol was the biggest factor.

And yet there is little correlation between the schools reputed to be the biggest party schools and the schools that are (statistically at least) most unsafe: http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

Probably because those schools are filled with liberal students who are more likely to discuss topics like rape culture and more likely to report rapes. I don't believe there are more rapes than before. I believe that there is an increase in reporting it, and this increase has started in SLACs. As a result, the SLACs look more unsafe.

An ASU sorority student is probably not going to report a rape because of fear of social ostracization.

Nice try, but I doubt there is a significant difference in reporting - at least not significant enough to account for the data reported. Schools that are politically liberal encourage a looser morality and more after the act regrets.

One of the most ignorant and misguided posts I've read on DCUM and that's saying a lot!

So, according to your "logic" if there is "looser morality" then why would someone have "after act regrets"? Wouldn't this "looser morals" mentality lead to someone not caring what they did? Also, how can you argue that there is not a difference in reporting? Did you even go to college? I was in college 20+ years ago and I personally know people who were raped, but never reported it due to fear of reprisals. The understanding of what constitutes rape and any unwanted sexual contact has increased tremendously since I was in school and, therefore, the fear of reporting has lessened. Your post, though, proves that we still have a long way to go. I can only hope that you are not in a profession that guides and assists students in any way!


Seriously? You probably believe a girl deserves to raped if she wore a short skirt…? Go back to the 1950's, please

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol. It is a poison on college campuses. Everyone is at risk on the campuses when they are drunk. Just think what a better environment it would be if students did not binge drink. But students learn from parents and our culture that we are an alcohol obsessed society. When people are drunk things can spun out of control. Why? Because half these college students are not in control of their minds when they are plastered and can do some really terrible things. The entire work hard, play hard badge of honor at colleges is just a very bad environment for growing up and making good decisions. There would be far fewer rapes, deaths, injuries, and mental health issues on college campuses if you took alcohol out of the equation. When I was in college every student I knew who had an accident, was date raped, died, or almost died, failed classes etc- alcohol was the biggest factor.

And yet there is little correlation between the schools reputed to be the biggest party schools and the schools that are (statistically at least) most unsafe: http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

Probably because those schools are filled with liberal students who are more likely to discuss topics like rape culture and more likely to report rapes. I don't believe there are more rapes than before. I believe that there is an increase in reporting it, and this increase has started in SLACs. As a result, the SLACs look more unsafe.

An ASU sorority student is probably not going to report a rape because of fear of social ostracization.

Nice try, but I doubt there is a significant difference in reporting - at least not significant enough to account for the data reported. Schools that are politically liberal encourage a looser morality and more after the act regrets.

One of the most ignorant and misguided posts I've read on DCUM and that's saying a lot!

So, according to your "logic" if there is "looser morality" then why would someone have "after act regrets"? Wouldn't this "looser morals" mentality lead to someone not caring what they did? Also, how can you argue that there is not a difference in reporting? Did you even go to college? I was in college 20+ years ago and I personally know people who were raped, but never reported it due to fear of reprisals. The understanding of what constitutes rape and any unwanted sexual contact has increased tremendously since I was in school and, therefore, the fear of reporting has lessened. Your post, though, proves that we still have a long way to go. I can only hope that you are not in a profession that guides and assists students in any way!


Seriously? You probably believe a girl deserves to raped if she wore a short skirt…? Go back to the 1950's, please

Get in the real world - who said anyone asked for it? Women who are more inclined to have drunk sex are more likely to regret having drunk sex than women who don't have drunk sex. That shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol. It is a poison on college campuses. Everyone is at risk on the campuses when they are drunk. Just think what a better environment it would be if students did not binge drink. But students learn from parents and our culture that we are an alcohol obsessed society. When people are drunk things can spun out of control. Why? Because half these college students are not in control of their minds when they are plastered and can do some really terrible things. The entire work hard, play hard badge of honor at colleges is just a very bad environment for growing up and making good decisions. There would be far fewer rapes, deaths, injuries, and mental health issues on college campuses if you took alcohol out of the equation. When I was in college every student I knew who had an accident, was date raped, died, or almost died, failed classes etc- alcohol was the biggest factor.

And yet there is little correlation between the schools reputed to be the biggest party schools and the schools that are (statistically at least) most unsafe: http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

Probably because those schools are filled with liberal students who are more likely to discuss topics like rape culture and more likely to report rapes. I don't believe there are more rapes than before. I believe that there is an increase in reporting it, and this increase has started in SLACs. As a result, the SLACs look more unsafe.

An ASU sorority student is probably not going to report a rape because of fear of social ostracization.

Nice try, but I doubt there is a significant difference in reporting - at least not significant enough to account for the data reported. Schools that are politically liberal encourage a looser morality and more after the act regrets.

One of the most ignorant and misguided posts I've read on DCUM and that's saying a lot!

So, according to your "logic" if there is "looser morality" then why would someone have "after act regrets"? Wouldn't this "looser morals" mentality lead to someone not caring what they did? Also, how can you argue that there is not a difference in reporting? Did you even go to college? I was in college 20+ years ago and I personally know people who were raped, but never reported it due to fear of reprisals. The understanding of what constitutes rape and any unwanted sexual contact has increased tremendously since I was in school and, therefore, the fear of reporting has lessened. Your post, though, proves that we still have a long way to go. I can only hope that you are not in a profession that guides and assists students in any way!


Seriously? You probably believe a girl deserves to raped if she wore a short skirt…? Go back to the 1950's, please

Get in the real world - who said anyone asked for it? Women who are more inclined to have drunk sex are more likely to regret having drunk sex than women who don't have drunk sex. That shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp.

I think you need to "get in the real world". You implied that regretting having sex afterward is the reason the reporting numbers are up - correct? Simply because someone regrets having sex (which can certainly happen, especially with people like you out there…), does not mean that these same women are reporting a rape that didn't happen. Having sex while drunk and then regretting it afterward is very different than reporting a rape. And your insistence that anyone who reports a rape after the fact is simply regretting having sex drunk is outdated, not to mention simplistic, thinking. That shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp.

[Anonymous]

PP - you are a nut case. Look up "straw man" and learn about your adversary. Then try to understand why you are projecting your insecurities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening ranking of the 100 Most Dangerous Colleges in the US based on statistical analysis of official government crime data for 6,696 colleges and universities in America. This data has been obtained from the US Department of Education, and outlines various alleged acts of crime that occurred both on-campus and off-campus during 2010 - 2012

http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

It is surprising to me to see so many SLACs at or near the top of the list. Amherst? Reed? Grinnell? Williams? Trinity? Bowdoin?

There are no Catholic schools listed among the Top 50 Most Dangerous Colleges despite the fact that many Catholic universities are located in urban areas that have significant crime issues in the near by neighborhoods. Not sure I have an explanation for why Catholic schools are safer, especially since other schools with strong religious affiliation are in the Top 50 Most Dangerous Colleges.

[Anonymous]

The meaning of the word "rape" has changed recently. It used to mean when someone violently forced themselves on someone else, or if someone was basically unconscious.

Now, if two people are drunk and have sex, the male is at risk for being accused of rape.

Or expelled:

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-sexual-assault-legal-20140608-story.html#page=1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is an eye-opening ranking of the 100 Most Dangerous Colleges in the US based on statistical analysis of official government crime data for 6,696 colleges and universities in America. This data has been obtained from the US Department of Education, and outlines various alleged acts of crime that occurred both on-campus and off-campus during 2010 - 2012

http://www.american-school-search.com/colleges/dangerous

It is surprising to me to see so many SLACs at or near the top of the list. Amherst? Reed? Grinnell? Williams? Trinity? Bowdoin?

There are no Catholic schools listed among the Top 50 Most Dangerous Colleges despite the fact that many Catholic universities are located in urban areas that have significant crime issues in the near by neighborhoods. Not sure I have an explanation for why Catholic schools are safer, especially since other schools with strong religious affiliation are in the Top 50 Most Dangerous Colleges.

Because most "rapes" involve cases where a couple had drunken sex and the male was accused of rape. I suspect that many women at catholic schools are afraid that they will get in trouble for admitting to drunken pre-marital sex, which is the context for most rape accusations.