s/o Low Paying Prestige Jobs

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But only about 10% of those associates have any realistic prospects of partnership after about 7-10 years at those firms. And if they can't make partner, they have to find something else to do. And most of the time, that "something else" isn't going to be nearly as lucrative.

Yeah, but working for a smaller firm after several years of experience, or a boutique or in house for a company, or certain federal government jobs pays more than $120K...

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I am surprised that pediatricians make that. I thought it would be higher.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe not exactly a "prestige job" but highly respected:

Staff Psychologist within the counseling center of an elite University. The work is very rewarding. Everyone has an advanced level degree, in most cases a doctorate. Looks great on a resume. Pay is crap, though. Salaries start at 40-60k and rarely climb above $80k.The saving grace is that the hours typically aren't bad so many of us supplement with private practice.

How is this highly respected, exactly? I work at a university and I don't even have a clue how many/who the counselors are.

I think it may be respected in your circle, but that's not at all a "prestige" job.

Um, okay. I didn't say it was a prestige job. I guess I naively assumed that a job requiring a PhD that entails years of clinical training would be highly respected. Guess you told me otherwise. Good to know.

I'm a psychologist (PhD), too, and thanks to the APA, respect for the profession has really eroded. And it's hard to argue with that when anyone can become a "psychologist."

Okay, you've piqued my curiosity! What has the APA done?

I'm sure there are people who will disagree, but I think the APA has done psychologists an enormous disservice by accrediting lousy diploma mills (schools of "professional psychology") that have very little quality control for faculty or students. So, they churn out people who are ill-qualified for the profession, which gives us all a bad name. Don't get me wrong, I think there are excellent psychologists out there, and I'm proud to be a psychologist. It's just that decent clinical psych programs are highly selective for a reason, i.e., it takes more than intellectual ability to be a good psychologist, at least those of us who provide psychotherapy.

That, and the APA has consistently refused to repudiate the use of torture in prisoner interrogations. That's a worse sin, but not one that's gotten much attention. So, yeah, not a fan of the APA here.

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FBI

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Anonymous wrote:For lawyers, they are DOJ jobs.

LOL no. the average lawyer is doing doc review or working shitlaw for 45-55k. DOJ is hitting the lottery, salary wise.

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Anonymous wrote:FBI

Good one

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Anonymous wrote:For lawyers, they are DOJ jobs.

LOL no. the average lawyer is doing doc review or working shitlaw for 45-55k. DOJ is hitting the lottery, salary wise.

Hitting the lottery? First year associates at my firm make $160K, and they are the people going to DOJ, not the temps doing doc review.

[Anonymous]

LOL no. the average lawyer is doing doc review or working shitlaw for 45-55k. DOJ is hitting the lottery, salary wise.

This thread is talking about prestigious jobs that don't pay as well as other options. So compared to a comparably qualified person in the private sector, yes, the DOJ jobs are poorly paid. Not that they aren't well paid compared to non-prestigious options.

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Mother pays nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Journalism. Especially public media (NPR, pbs).

This was my answer, too. I am an editor at a well-known magazine, have a master's from a top J-school, and earn 60k.

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US President

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Anonymous wrote:Mother pays nothing.

Is it really prestigious if half the population has a biological imperative for it?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe not exactly a "prestige job" but highly respected:

Staff Psychologist within the counseling center of an elite University. The work is very rewarding. Everyone has an advanced level degree, in most cases a doctorate. Looks great on a resume. Pay is crap, though. Salaries start at 40-60k and rarely climb above $80k.The saving grace is that the hours typically aren't bad so many of us supplement with private practice.

How is this highly respected, exactly? I work at a university and I don't even have a clue how many/who the counselors are.

I think it may be respected in your circle, but that's not at all a "prestige" job.

Um, okay. I didn't say it was a prestige job. I guess I naively assumed that a job requiring a PhD that entails years of clinical training would be highly respected. Guess you told me otherwise. Good to know.

I'm a psychologist (PhD), too, and thanks to the APA, respect for the profession has really eroded. And it's hard to argue with that when anyone can become a "psychologist."

Okay, you've piqued my curiosity! What has the APA done?

I'm sure there are people who will disagree, but I think the APA has done psychologists an enormous disservice by accrediting lousy diploma mills (schools of "professional psychology") that have very little quality control for faculty or students. So, they churn out people who are ill-qualified for the profession, which gives us all a bad name. Don't get me wrong, I think there are excellent psychologists out there, and I'm proud to be a psychologist. It's just that decent clinical psych programs are highly selective for a reason, i.e., it takes more than intellectual ability to be a good psychologist, at least those of us who provide psychotherapy.

That, and the APA has consistently refused to repudiate the use of torture in prisoner interrogations. That's a worse sin, but not one that's gotten much attention. So, yeah, not a fan of the APA here.

I didn't know this (just a psychology undergrad). But over the course of my life have been disappointed with a number of psychologists, licensed social workers and even psychiatrists for SN issues. Very disappointed. It almost seemed as if the disturbed were attracted to the field because it interested them in something about themselves or that their own ADHD could help others - which it didn't. So I'm rather disappointed with the entire field. Where do licensed social workers fit into the scheme? I had a very bad experience with one who shouldn't have been licensed to take anyone's money.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe not exactly a "prestige job" but highly respected:

Staff Psychologist within the counseling center of an elite University. The work is very rewarding. Everyone has an advanced level degree, in most cases a doctorate. Looks great on a resume. Pay is crap, though. Salaries start at 40-60k and rarely climb above $80k.The saving grace is that the hours typically aren't bad so many of us supplement with private practice.

How is this highly respected, exactly? I work at a university and I don't even have a clue how many/who the counselors are.

I think it may be respected in your circle, but that's not at all a "prestige" job.

Um, okay. I didn't say it was a prestige job. I guess I naively assumed that a job requiring a PhD that entails years of clinical training would be highly respected. Guess you told me otherwise. Good to know.

I'm a psychologist (PhD), too, and thanks to the APA, respect for the profession has really eroded. And it's hard to argue with that when anyone can become a "psychologist."

Okay, you've piqued my curiosity! What has the APA done?

I'm sure there are people who will disagree, but I think the APA has done psychologists an enormous disservice by accrediting lousy diploma mills (schools of "professional psychology") that have very little quality control for faculty or students. So, they churn out people who are ill-qualified for the profession, which gives us all a bad name. Don't get me wrong, I think there are excellent psychologists out there, and I'm proud to be a psychologist. It's just that decent clinical psych programs are highly selective for a reason, i.e., it takes more than intellectual ability to be a good psychologist, at least those of us who provide psychotherapy.

That, and the APA has consistently refused to repudiate the use of torture in prisoner interrogations. That's a worse sin, but not one that's gotten much attention. So, yeah, not a fan of the APA here.

I didn't know this (just a psychology undergrad). But over the course of my life have been disappointed with a number of psychologists, licensed social workers and even psychiatrists for SN issues. Very disappointed. It almost seemed as if the disturbed were attracted to the field because it interested them in something about themselves or that their own ADHD could help others - which it didn't. So I'm rather disappointed with the entire field. Where do licensed social workers fit into the scheme? I had a very bad experience with one who shouldn't have been licensed to take anyone's money.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with a social worker. There are poor representatives of every field, unfortunately, but it's particularly troubling when those are psychotherapists. In general, a masters in social work is a solid credential: the training is good, the field is well-established, and social workers can do a lot of things. It's what I recommend if people express interest in clinical psychology, but then say their sole interest is being a therapist. So, again, I wouldn't condemn an entire field due to a few bad actors. It can hard to differentiate between who's qualified and who's not.

Unfortunately, the issues with psychology I've described above have gotten out of control, so it's more than a few lousy psychologists. Lowering the bar for people to become psychologists isn't the way to go, but the APA didn't get that memo (along with many others, apparently).

[Anonymous]

In my field (Research scientist), the prestige scale is, and salaries: assuming mid career.

1 University Prof. -110k
2 Govt Lab -- 130K
3 Defense Contractor -150k
4 Oil Industry - 200k