Is there any empirical evidence on whether kids who must pay part of own college costs do better?

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I have a similar attitude toward hiring those who've played team sports. I shy away from those who've never been part of a team at a competitive level. My workplace is a team effort and I can't take a chance on someone who hasn't been part of a team.

So you're in a field that requires a lot of hand-eye coordination? That employees be able-bodied?

Not the PP, but the ability to be part of a team is key in many workplaces. There's not a lot of benefit to hiring the worker who is only out for himself.

No, but there are plenty of people who played team sports who are nonetheless selfish assholes, and plenty of people who are great at collaboration who don't play team sports.

I *know* it is a sacred tenet among some people that playing team sports makes you a "team player," but that doesn't make it so.

Laxbros achieve professional success? Think about explanations other than earned achievement.

Do resumes really include info about the sports one played on college?
You seem to agree that teamwork is important. If so, would you agree that teamwork is a learned/acquired skill? Is so, would you please provide examples of the best ways to learn/acquire those skills apart from team sports?

Scouting, orchestra, band, chorus, theatre, volunteering for Habitat for Humanity, debate team, science olympiad........

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Do resumes really include info about the sports one played in college?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious... I've always assumed I should pay fully for my kids' college costs if I possibly can, given how crippling student debt can be and so on. But I've seen many people argue that kids won't appreciate the "value" of college-- and thus won't work hard or take classes seriously -- with no "skin in the game." Intuitively, that makes sense, and it makes me wonder if after all I shouldn't plan to fund, say, just 75% of my kids college costs or something like that, and tell them the rest is on them.

But-- intuitively sensible as the claim is, do we know if it is true? Is anyone aware of any research on this?

thanks!

It really depends on the kid. Some need that incentive to be connected, but most 18 year olds I know don't have a sense of what they are signing when they take on the loans. I would think a parent would get more traction if they had a certain % of earnings the child had to put into the college pot. Then they see it in every pay check and they feel the effects of it in every paycheck. I also think making a child pay for his/her own personal expenses is good and can start in HS.

Some will party no matter what. Some will have other incentives (good grades for better graduate programs or a future better job). I know when I went to college, the students I knew ran the gamut- but most took their studying seriously, perhaps not as seriously as their parents wanted, but enough to be able to graduate with decent grades and eventually figure out life as an adult.

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Anonymous wrote:Do resumes really include info about the sports one played in college?

Yes, especially for elite sports like lacrosse. But there are other ways to convey participation in team sports during an interview or through connections used to secure the interview. High powered jobs are not secured by mailing out resumes.

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Anonymous wrote:Do resumes really include info about the sports one played in college?

Mine did because I was captain of a team. It demonstrated leadership and I can't say that hurt me in my career. And it was a good talking point for interviews.

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The selfish white parents make children work while they get drunk

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Anonymous wrote:My parents paid for college and I worked hard and did well. It didn't even occur to me not to frankly. Same with DH. My DC is now in college which we are paying for and is working hard. I think it has to do with the values you instill, not whether you require them to work.

This, my parents paid for my and my sisters college and advanced degrees. We never took advantage of the situation or them and appreciated it. I even more appreciated coming out of school without debt and them unexpectedly helping us with a downpayment (never promised) for our house to make it more affordable. Some of it is parenting and the particular child. I think making a blank statement that you need to pay for it is silly. In all reality, they are paying for it via loans many years later. We never heavily drank, heavily partied and knew the expectations and followed them. It was not a big deal.

+1. ILs and parents paid for DH and my college as well. We will do the same for our kids. We don't have to take loans for their college education, but to save for their college we have lived below our means.