Downton Abbey -- Feb 9 episode SPOILER ALERT!!!

[Anonymous]

I think Lord Gillingham will ask Mary to marry him again and she will say yes..And I think he is only after her money. She will make a huge mistake.

I think Edith will miscarry. It is easier that way.

I hope Tom does not leave the show and move to America!

[Anonymous]

I really liked this episode and especially liked Aunt Rosamund's role in her story. I can't wait to see what happens to Edith (love the German spy hypothesis) and what Bates does with the rapist. When Mrs. Hughes confronted the rapist I thought for a minute she might walk over and strangle him.

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Anonymous wrote:Last week I thought they were dropping hints that Edith might marry Tom (because of her pregnancy). When he was talking about not belonging at Downton, he said something like "after all, I couldn't possibly find another Earl's daughter to marry."Now, I'm thinking that that's less likely.

Love the idea about Gregson being a German spy! But, couldn't he turn out to be a double-agent, so that Edith could be happy . . . ?

You are a very observant viewer! I remember him saying this, but didn't connect it at all to a possible Edith pairing. I wonder if this will happen...?

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Anonymous wrote:I liked all of this episode, except the pig part. I laughed and laughed. Mary and a guy practically breathless to jump in a pig sty to save pigs??? It just was not believable, that it made it funny.
Can someone please explain what Mary's pig guy and her former suitor are doing at Downton? I was sick last week and not really paying attention to that story line.

It was funny, but I think they were so eager to save the pigs because they had been a huge investment for Mary/Downton Abbey. She didn't want her investment to be ruined. I'm not sure, but I think the pig guy is doing some sort of study about large country estates and how they're run, etc. That was a little hazy to me. I'm not sure why the other guy is along for the ride, unless they work together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Last week I thought they were dropping hints that Edith might marry Tom (because of her pregnancy). When he was talking about not belonging at Downton, he said something like "after all, I couldn't possibly find another Earl's daughter to marry."Now, I'm thinking that that's less likely.

Love the idea about Gregson being a German spy! But, couldn't he turn out to be a double-agent, so that Edith could be happy . . . ?

You are a very observant viewer! I remember him saying this, but didn't connect it at all to a possible Edith pairing. I wonder if this will happen...?

Why not Mary? They both are widowed and have young children who never knew their deceased parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I liked all of this episode, except the pig part. I laughed and laughed. Mary and a guy practically breathless to jump in a pig sty to save pigs??? It just was not believable, that it made it funny.
Can someone please explain what Mary's pig guy and her former suitor are doing at Downton? I was sick last week and not really paying attention to that story line.

It was funny, but I think they were so eager to save the pigs because they had been a huge investment for Mary/Downton Abbey. She didn't want her investment to be ruined. I'm not sure, but I think the pig guy is doing some sort of study about large country estates and how they're run, etc. That was a little hazy to me. I'm not sure why the other guy is along for the ride, unless they work together?

Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the storyline with Rose and the singer totally unrealistic? Would an interracial relationship have even been possible at that time?

No, but too many people complained that there were no black people on the show.

Bombed, idiot. Just because old black & white movies and TV shows showed a whitewashed world, doesn't mean it was so. The world has been multicultural for THOUSANDS of years.

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Anonymous wrote:oo the German agent going home…wow. Good theory.

I keep hoping the document Edith signed turns out good--like she gets a windfall. You have to admit if it turned out to be good, we'd all be surprised...

Were there scenes for next week? I watched a rerun and there were no scenes and I started wondering if the season is over? (please no!)

We would be surprised, because it has been well-established that Edith is the butt money of DA. Word of God (AKA Julian Fellows) has stated about Edith that "some people are meant to have an unhappy life."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButtMonkey

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is the storyline with Rose and the singer totally unrealistic? Would an interracial relationship have even been possible at that time?

Black entertainers were very popular in England and France in the 1920s and 1930s. There were no Jim Crow laws and they were better treated than in the states. Many young people were rebelling against post Victorian mores, and Rose plays the role. It is realistic that she would be involved with the somewhat exotic black singer

Josephine Baker being Exhibitionist A. I mean, Exhibit A.

Plus, let's face it -- Yurp was getting the cream of the crop back in the 20s and 30s what with a mix of well-spoken, well-educated entertainers and (and I'm guessing) others who had the wherewithal to emigrate and set up a life in their new homelands.

When ill-educated Black immigrants started showing up in the 60s and 70s, you had the Rivers of Blood speech, etc.

Rinse-n-repeat for France with the Ay-rabs showing up around that timeframe (with bonus mistreatment of the pieds-noirs who were French but not as French as those in Metropolitan France, apparently), the Germans and the Turks, Switzerland and the Balkanites, Spain and the Arabs, then the Romanians (and now the Ukrainians), etc.

It took until more recently for Scandinavia to get in on the racist act, but with the rise of the Swedish Democrats and their ilk, all of Yurp is proving they're just as racist as we are. I mean, yelling racist shit at Black athletes has been out of bounds in the US for the past 40 years, and sports fans in Italy and Russia (among others) STILL haven't learned that lesson.

There's entire soccer clubs whose fan base are by and large racist pricks -- Millwall (England), Lazio aka Nazio (Italy), etc. The worst we have is Raider Nation, whose membership comes prepared for Halloween (sort of like the student body of VCU, but that's another story.)

BUT -- they didn't have the centuries of living alongside their betes noirs that we have over here (witness how Northern cities reacted once they were told they had to like Blacks too) and their immigrants by and large share neither a religion nor a language family with our own. I'm not a social scientist except on the Internets, but having decades of Spanish taught in school, sharing a religion with us, and hell having a few million of them whose ancestors have been in this country longer than most of us have to aid in the integration of the Hispanic community.

And yes -- there were fortune hunters a-plenty in Yurp in that era (e.g. Lord Grantham pere) and in the US you had plenty of people who wanted a title or two by their name (e.g. Cora).

Yeah, um---there is a bit of fail in your history lesson there. You need to look up what "bete noir" really means, cause it does NOT translate to equal Black Diasporeans, and you'd best not use it to describe us. Also, "well-spoken"? Have YOU not learned not to refer to Black Diasporeans as such? Drop that one ASAP. As for well-educated..."[Josephine] Baker dropped out of school at the age of 12 and lived as a street child in the slums of St. Louis, sleeping in cardboard shelters and scavenging for food in garbage cans." The folks who made it across the pond weren't necessarily "educated", more like talented. The "talented tenth" doesn't apply here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My unspoiled predictions - Edith miscarries, Mary winds up with her pig pen pal, Bates gets revenge somehow but does not kill or wind up in jail, Ana finds out she is pregnant but doesn't know whose baby it is. On another note, I love Edith's aunt. She has been very good to her - scolding her when appropriate but supportive when she is truly needed.

Anna already got her period, so it ain't Greene's baby.

Bates is going to see that guy dead, probably get him in a position to be dying and not helping him when he could. He won't see a day of jail time.

Edith probably will miscarry, due to the Convenient Miscarriage subsection of the Good Girls Avoid Abortion trope.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConvenientMiscarriage

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodGirlsAvoidAbortion

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Anonymous wrote:No, Thomas will reveal to Bates who the rapist is so that Bates can kill and go to jail and Thomas can have Bates' job.

I htink Bates already knows. He doesn't need Thomas to tell him. But, maybe Thomas will cover Bates or help him out some way when Bates goes after the rapist.

so let's say Thomas covers for Bates, then Bates is in his debt (under his thumb). I was thinking this, but it won't work--Bates could just kill Thomas; he won't be put under anyone's thumb.

But Thomas could figure it all out, and get rid of Bates that way.

Thomas already owes Bates! Bates helped Thomas not get arrested for homosexual behavior, remember? "Her ladyship's soap?"

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Anonymous wrote:I have a guess about that rapist guy - in this episode it seems like Cora's maid is putting together what must have happened. She reports this to Thomas and he is the one who kill this rapist and thus redeems himself.

ooh....I think I should go to hollywood with my wild imagination

Hold on, you need some verisimilitude to be successful in your writing. Does it seem likely that Thomas would KILL someone? He can't even fight, he got his ass handed to him by some bums under an overpass. He's not Tony Soprano.

Then you have to think about his character. He's a sneak. He does things for himself, not for others. He doesn't care about redemption--when Braithwaithe (aka Branson's stalker) told him "nobody likes you", did he even care? NO! He's not going to kill someone to 'redeem' himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Last week I thought they were dropping hints that Edith might marry Tom (because of her pregnancy). When he was talking about not belonging at Downton, he said something like "after all, I couldn't possibly find another Earl's daughter to marry."

Now, I'm thinking that that's less likely.

Love the idea about Gregson being a German spy! But, couldn't he turn out to be a double-agent, so that Edith could be happy . . . ?

Yes, yes -- that would be so perfect! But what was in the paper that she signed? Could it have been a fake marriage license?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a guess about that rapist guy - in this episode it seems like Cora's maid is putting together what must have happened. She reports this to Thomas and he is the one who kill this rapist and thus redeems himself.

ooh....I think I should go to hollywood with my wild imagination

Hold on, you need some verisimilitude to be successful in your writing. Does it seem likely that Thomas would KILL someone? He can't even fight, he got his ass handed to him by some bums under an overpass. He's not Tony Soprano.

Then you have to think about his character. He's a sneak. He does things for himself, not for others. He doesn't care about redemption--when Braithwaithe (aka Branson's stalker) told him "nobody likes you", did he even care? NO! He's not going to kill someone to 'redeem'
himself.

Thank you PP for your comment. Reading some of these posts makes me so sad for posters who cannot follow the plot or story arc of a simple TV show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a guess about that rapist guy - in this episode it seems like Cora's maid is putting together what must have happened. She reports this to Thomas and he is the one who kill this rapist and thus redeems himself.

ooh....I think I should go to hollywood with my wild imagination

Hold on, you need some verisimilitude to be successful in your writing. Does it seem likely that Thomas would KILL someone? He can't even fight, he got his ass handed to him by some bums under an overpass. He's not Tony Soprano.

Then you have to think about his character. He's a sneak. He does things for himself, not for others. He doesn't care about redemption--when Braithwaithe (aka Branson's stalker) told him "nobody likes you", did he even care? NO! He's not going to kill someone to 'redeem'
himself.

Thank you PP for your comment. Reading some of these posts makes me so sad for posters who cannot follow the plot or story arc of a simple TV show.

But they have made some of the characters do "out of character" things. Ex.: Mary -- dirty with pigs. Branson -- cool with hanging out with the elite.