We own in DC and VA, ok to go to school in DC?

[Anonymous]

It is indeed a discussion about property taxes, because the money for DC public schools doesn't just fall out of the sky.

[Anonymous]

Yes, its ok to send your kid to DC schools as a DC resident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By the way, school snail-mail will go to your D.C. address. So your tenants will know you are cheating (and your kids' grades) which puts you in a vulnerable position. Also, your tenants' address will be put in the address in the school book. How then do you explain birthday parties out in VA? Or playdates?

My experience with DCPS is limited to a single elementary school, but our grades come home with our child in an envelope inside her backpack. We get very limited mail from the school. I am not advocating cheating, just trying to be accurate about DC process.

[Anonymous]

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Wow, OP has already admitted they don't live in the rental. You ar basically instructing them on how to cheat, the bottom line of your post is that simple. I guess I shouldn't be suprised, but it still bugs the crap out of me that someone will advertise ways to cheat the system even after someone has said they want to do the right thing. You suck PP. And karma, it isn't always instant, but it always gets ya. Wonder what someone is going to cheat you out of down the line....

OP does not live in the rental now. People move across state lines for schools all the time, e.g., DC to MoCo and VA.

I'm not advising OP to cheat. I'm advising OP to move to DC if the charter is that important. I'm also suggesting that once OP's child is enrolled, OP might be able to move back to VA and keep the spot at the charter, at the cost of paying non-resident tuition.

There is no cheating involved.

no, if you are 11:32 you are actually instructing OP how to cheat (something she expressly said she does not want to do). let's call things with their name. OP says that she owns a small, prekids 2bd home in DC, and that now she has 4 kids. she is obviously not thinking about moving back to the rented home, 6 people in 2bd. and you are not telling her to move back to DC with her family (like in renting or buying a suitable home for a family of 6, where they can move for good). she would not need to turn to DCUM for this kind of obvious advice. she does not want to move her family back to DC, otherwise there would be no issue and no post. it is right that people move across state lines all the time for schools, but they "really" move, like buying a home in Bethesda for MCPS for the entire family, not using the address of a place they do not live in. people who use fake addresses or temporary rooms subleased just to "establish residency" are cheaters. what you are suggesting is first, to use an address where nobody in her family resides, and second, if the child gets a spot, to sublet a room somewhere where one of the parent can stay (or better pretend to live) just to establish residency, and then go back happily to Virginia, after (presumably) having taken a spot away from a DC resident kid. you are instructing her on how to cheat, have at least the decency of admitting it. (just to be clear, I have nothing against OP, actually I appreciate that she is being honest)

We'll, PP, we just disagree.

If the charter is that important to OP, then OP should give serious thought to moving the family (or part of it) back into the 2br rental long enough to establish residency and secure a spot at the charter. Once the spot has been secured, assuming the charter won't kick OP's child out for moving out of DC, OP can move the family back to VA. However, OP or OP's spouse will have to continue paying DC income tax or OP will have to start paying non-resident tuition.

Note that either way OP would be paying for attending the charter over and above the property taxes that OP (or OP's tenant) is already paying .

What you call cheating I call exploiting a potential loophole in the charter law.

Quite frankly, I don't event think that OP should have to move into that 2br rental temporarily. Non-resident property owners serve an important role in the DC housing market. They contribute to the stability of home values while increasing the stock of housing available to renters. I think that non-resident property owners should be given the same access to DC charter schools as residents, provided they pay non-resident tuition, of course, since they do not pay resident income taxes.

[Anonymous]

We are in the Best Elementary in DC and I promise, it is NOT immune from the failure that is DCPS!!!! Fairfax county has one of the top rated public school systems in the country....DC is dead last! Google it!

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Anonymous wrote:IOW, paying income taxes gets you into a DC school, but it is your residence (which determines your property taxes) that determines which school you may attend. At least charters disambiguate the two.

In any event, any school you would actually want to enroll your child in (either DCPS or charter) most likely has a waiting list. By law, you can attend as long as you pay tuition. However, you should be aware that your position on the waitlist will - by law - be subordinate to the position of any DC resident, even one who signed up after you.

It's effectively impossible to attend a desirable DC public school (DCPS or Charter) from outside the District, despite a willingness to pay tuition. You'll always come in last place on the priority list, and all the good (even some of the mediocre) schools have lists.

While this bolded part makes sense, I am skeptical if DCPS schools are operating as they should. My DC is at Banneker HS, and she says she has a friend who says parents pay tuition to attend Banneker because they are not DC residents. Banneker is an application school, and they take about 100 new students every year. I am sure there are more than 100 applicants every year, because there are many students who get rejected. So, if a non-DC resident is on the lowest priority for admission, how did my DC's friend get in to Banneker? Shouldn't those DC resident students get accepted before the non-resident student, regardless of their willingness to pay tuition? This will only make sense if there are less than 100 applicants to begin with, say only 95 applicants, and the remaining 5 seats can be filled by non-residents who are willing to pay tuition. Can someone crack the code on this one, because I feel like I am missing a point.

I love how everyoneo n this board thinks they know every scenario possible. As explained upthread, there are other ways to explain this. Your DC's classmate could have entered Banneker as a DC resident and then the parents could have moved out of state the following year, that student already has his spot and can keep it by paying tuition.

And that "everyone" includes you, right? You came up with a possible scenario on this one. But what if I told you that the non-resident student was a non-resident to begin with? Because she is. From the very beginning of application, she was already a non-resident. That's why it pauses a question for me.

Since Banneker is application based, it does not have the same requirements as other neighborhood schools so this scenario is possible. If you have an issue with it, why not bring it to the school rather than the passive aggressive display on DCUM?

[Anonymous]

This seems pretty simple to me. DC _residents_ are entitled to enroll in public school and public charters. So people actually living here, doesn't have to do with taxes. There are tons of ways to cheat the system or "exploit a loophole" but whether they are legal or illegal loopholes, one is crossing a moral and ethical boundary and would be "cheating."

[Anonymous]

Hmm. Would the proposed cheater be OK with me buying a beach house in Virginia Beach and then when my daughter applies to college she gets in-state preference and tuition at the University of Virginia? Obviously, my non-resident taxes play such an "important role" in the Virginia economy that my child should be able to jump to the the front of the line, right? DC is no different than any other state with non-resident property owners. Property owners pay taxes for things they will never use all the time (public schools, fire department services if their house never catches fire, etc). There are so few spots in the sought after schools - why would we ever cede them to people who aren't willing to live here full-time?

[Anonymous]

What is "moral" and "right" to treat someone as a leech on DC schools and forbid them from attending when they are in fact contributing substantial financial resources to support said DC schools?

It's not so much about what's "moral" or "right", it's strictly about what the law says.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here, I find it ironic that someone who's probably paying in more to fund DCPS (via property taxes) than many of the LEGAL families attending DCPS schools is considered a "cheater".

So then what of the children of people who actually reside here? Where should they go to school? Or should we simply ship them off and gas them along with their parents since they are so fucking useless?

Some of you people amaze me. There is a special place in hell for people who think the way you do.

What if we ALL sat back and expected something for nothing? Hell of a world that would be.

What the fuck? So you think children, who have no say as to what kind of family they are born into, should have to pay for their parents' shitty decisions? You are a piece of human garbage and I hope you rot in hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Come on now, OP you own 2 properties and honestly don't know which one you live in. Did you just grow a brain, just have kids and have never sent them to school before (remember all that paper work you fill out), are confused about the tax perks of being a landlord or wanted to find out ways to cheat!!! Give me a break, this has to be a joke, no?

One thing I've discovered living in the DMV is that there are a lot of absolutely dumbass people who have a lot of money, proving that the hard work + smarts = wealth formula is not in fact true.

[Anonymous]

The law states that you have to be a resident, that is LIVING in DC. Not paying property tax, etc. etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is "moral" and "right" to treat someone as a leech on DC schools and forbid them from attending when they are in fact contributing substantial financial resources to support said DC schools?

It's not so much about what's "moral" or "right", it's strictly about what the law says.

and the law says that if you are not a DC resident (meaning living in DC), your kid cannot go to DCPS or a DC charter, unless you pay out state tuition and get at the end of the line in case there is a wailist (and I am pretty sure the school OP wants to send her kid to has a waitlist). so, for a sought after DCPS school or charter, if you are not a DC resident, your kid cannot attend it. Op can simply apply to the DC school for her kid and make her family living situation known to DCPS or to the charter, and see what happens.

[Anonymous]

+ 1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Wow, OP has already admitted they don't live in the rental. You ar basically instructing them on how to cheat, the bottom line of your post is that simple. I guess I shouldn't be suprised, but it still bugs the crap out of me that someone will advertise ways to cheat the system even after someone has said they want to do the right thing. You suck PP. And karma, it isn't always instant, but it always gets ya. Wonder what someone is going to cheat you out of down the line....

OP does not live in the rental now. People move across state lines for schools all the time, e.g., DC to MoCo and VA.

I'm not advising OP to cheat. I'm advising OP to move to DC if the charter is that important. I'm also suggesting that once OP's child is enrolled, OP might be able to move back to VA and keep the spot at the charter, at the cost of paying non-resident tuition.

There is no cheating involved.

no, if you are 11:32 you are actually instructing OP how to cheat (something she expressly said she does not want to do). let's call things with their name. OP says that she owns a small, prekids 2bd home in DC, and that now she has 4 kids. she is obviously not thinking about moving back to the rented home, 6 people in 2bd. and you are not telling her to move back to DC with her family (like in renting or buying a suitable home for a family of 6, where they can move for good). she would not need to turn to DCUM for this kind of obvious advice. she does not want to move her family back to DC, otherwise there would be no issue and no post. it is right that people move across state lines all the time for schools, but they "really" move, like buying a home in Bethesda for MCPS for the entire family, not using the address of a place they do not live in. people who use fake addresses or temporary rooms subleased just to "establish residency" are cheaters. what you are suggesting is first, to use an address where nobody in her family resides, and second, if the child gets a spot, to sublet a room somewhere where one of the parent can stay (or better pretend to live) just to establish residency, and then go back happily to Virginia, after (presumably) having taken a spot away from a DC resident kid. you are instructing her on how to cheat, have at least the decency of admitting it. (just to be clear, I have nothing against OP, actually I appreciate that she is being honest)

We'll, PP, we just disagree.

If the charter is that important to OP, then OP should give serious thought to moving the family (or part of it) back into the 2br rental long enough to establish residency and secure a spot at the charter. Once the spot has been secured, assuming the charter won't kick OP's child out for moving out of DC, OP can move the family back to VA. However, OP or OP's spouse will have to continue paying DC income tax or OP will have to start paying non-resident tuition.

Note that either way OP would be paying for attending the charter over and above the property taxes that OP (or OP's tenant) is already paying .

What you call cheating I call exploiting a potential loophole in the charter law.

Quite frankly, I don't event think that OP should have to move into that 2br rental temporarily. Non-resident property owners serve an important role in the DC housing market. They contribute to the stability of home values while increasing the stock of housing available to renters. I think that non-resident property owners should be given the same access to DC charter schools as residents, provided they pay non-resident tuition, of course, since they do not pay resident income taxes.

Exploiting a loophole is cheating. Your mother raised you wrong, pp.