Giftedness vs Hardwork

[Anonymous]

That's what they said about Jeremy Lin making it in the NBA. Now he makes $8 X 10^6/yr. That's more than you and all your kids combined will see in an entire lifetime. How's that for a true fact!

[Anonymous]

Back to the original topic. The snark is getting tiresome. This book was recommended by our school and I really like it. It directly addresses the giftedness/hardwork questions and really changed my thinking as a parent.

http://www.amazon.com/Mindset-The-New-Psychology-Success/dp/0345472322/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351764886&sr=8-1&keywords=mindset

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

Socialized to be Betas.

Then aren't all non-whites socialized to be Betas by the white Alphas to keep their top positions? There might be some truth to this though. Hate those who rule but secretly relish their approval.

I'm sure this is partly true. But we'd miss the full picture if we didn't also give credit to the role played by helicopter and tiger parents in demanding their kids get straight As to please mom and dad.

[Anonymous]

Socialized by their parents to be Betas.

[Anonymous]

The myth is that everyone has the same level of giftedness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in SF. When I go to the main library in the children's section here's what I see:

white parent: sitting somewhere, texting or reading a magazine while their toddler runs around the children's area playing with the toys

asian parent: sitting at a kiddie table next to their toddler practicing puzzles over and over again

I'm white. The first time I saw it, I did a double-take.

1. I thought this forum was for DC urban moms.
2. I am white, and I believe the most age-appropriate thing for toddlers to be doing is playing imaginative games by themselves, not being required to put together puzzles over and over again by their anxious parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Socialized by their parents to be Betas.

I'm 13:26. That's basically what I meant. I'm sure some part of the beta mentality may be bestowed by "the man" who usually is white. But parents play a huge role in socialization too.

I also agree with the other (same) poster who wrote that imagination grows during free play.

[Anonymous]

First Americans are criticized for not being Tiger Moms pushing and encouraging or nagging their kids all the time. Then they are criticized for not leaving them alone enough to explore on their own compared the the French. What if remarkably many Americans have actually taken a middle ground providing encouragement and discipline where needed but also allowing enough freedom for self expression and discovery? Maybe these countries should be looking to us?

[Anonymous]

Many do but if they are creative and nimble in math and problem solving they are children of Tiger moms (whatever that means) and beta creatures and if not, creative and alpha creatures (whatever that means).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many do but if they are creative and nimble in math and problem solving they are children of Tiger moms (whatever that means) and beta creatures and if not, creative and alpha creatures (whatever that means).

Not necessarily. Remember the theme of this thread, that giftedness (innate, you're born with it to a great extent) and hard work (the Tiger mom pushed you) are unrelated.

[Anonymous]

So Americans are slackers?

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily. Remember the theme of this thread, that giftedness (innate, you're born with it to a great extent) and hard work (the Tiger mom pushed you) are unrelated.

Do you think that if Tiger mom pushed you then you can't be gifted?

Do Tiger moms ever have any gifted children?

Can you be born gifted to a Tiger mom?

What happens next?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Not necessarily. Remember the theme of this thread, that giftedness (innate, you're born with it to a great extent) and hard work (the Tiger mom pushed you) are unrelated.

Do you think that if Tiger mom pushed you then you can't be gifted?

Do Tiger moms ever have any gifted children?

Can you be born gifted to a Tiger mom?

What happens next?

You missed the point. Giftedness and having a Tiger mom are UNRELATED, aka UNCORRELATED. That means there's no positive correlation. And to respond specifically to your snark, there's NO NEGATIVE CORRELATION either. Or to put the concept of "no positive or negative correlation" another way, giftedness and having a Tiger mom are (a) not linked and, because they aren't linked, it doesn't make sense to suggest (even snarkily) that (b) they are mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous]

What foolish point are you referring to. The poster did not equate giftedness with hard work. You did.

[Anonymous]

Can a Tiger mom give birth to a gifted child?