Giftedness vs Hardwork

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in SF. When I go to the main library in the children's section here's what I see:

white parent: sitting somewhere, texting or reading a magazine while their toddler runs around the children's area playing with the toys

asian parent: sitting at a kiddie table next to their toddler practicing puzzles over and over again

I'm white. The first time I saw it, I did a double-take.

From observing two parents, you extrapolate out and ascribe those traits to millions of parents? Wow.

From observing two TYPES of parents, and you can lump the white parents with the black and latino ones too. It's only the Asian (mostly Chinese but also some Korean) parents who have their little kids working over and over and encouraging them to work hard this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live in SF. When I go to the main library in the children's section here's what I see:

white parent: sitting somewhere, texting or reading a magazine while their toddler runs around the children's area playing with the toys

asian parent: sitting at a kiddie table next to their toddler practicing puzzles over and over again

I'm white. The first time I saw it, I did a double-take.

From observing two parents, you extrapolate out and ascribe those traits to millions of parents? Wow.

From observing two TYPES of parents, and you can lump the white parents with the black and latino ones too. It's only the Asian (mostly Chinese but also some Korean) parents who have their little kids working over and over and encouraging them to work hard this way.

There's a fine line between "encouraging" and "pushing." The first is helpful to psychological growth and the second is detrimental. I'm not saying that all parents of any race are more one than the other.

[Anonymous]

How did this thread go from hard work to a race war? WHOA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did this thread go from hard work to a race war? WHOA!

The poster referred to as "Crazy Tiger Mom" on the MoCo forum joined the fray. She has a boy at Churchill. She supports drilling your kid for standardized tests instead of letting them do sports, and she doesn't hold back with her scorn for American parents who let their kids do sports. She also tends to see every move MoCo makes as a plot by those "white males" in MoCo's Rockville offices to hold down those "sweet" Asian kids. I'm not making this up.

[Anonymous]

The poster referred to as "Crazy Tiger Mom" on the MoCo forum joined the fray. She has a boy at Churchill. She supports drilling your kid for standardized tests instead of letting them do sports, and she doesn't hold back with her scorn for American parents who let their kids do sports. She also tends to see every move MoCo makes as a plot by those "white males" in MoCo's Rockville offices to hold down those "sweet" Asian kids. I'm not making this up.

"....I'm not making this up, honestly" bleeted the cuckoo bird in her nest. "That's the God to honest truth. I'm not making this up. The poster has a boy who could not get into St Albans after multiple attempts. Honest. She claims her athlete daughter is a student at Yale. And she thinks the johns (toilets) in public school are more disgusting than those in privates." After a few more involuntary jerky movements, the cuckoo bird, exasperated, with tears rolling down her beak exclaimed, "I think the boy who didn't get in St Albans is at Wootton..., no Whitman. I'm not making this up, really I'm not."

Finally, as if empathizing with the paranoid schizophrenic cuckoo, a nut from a tree branch above drops into the nest. The nut is dusted with a sprinkle of Seroquel. And the cuckoo birds ravenously chips away at the nut with joyous delight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The poster referred to as "Crazy Tiger Mom" on the MoCo forum joined the fray. She has a boy at Churchill. She supports drilling your kid for standardized tests instead of letting them do sports, and she doesn't hold back with her scorn for American parents who let their kids do sports. She also tends to see every move MoCo makes as a plot by those "white males" in MoCo's Rockville offices to hold down those "sweet" Asian kids. I'm not making this up.

"....I'm not making this up, honestly" bleeted the cuckoo bird in her nest. "That's the God to honest truth. I'm not making this up. The poster has a boy who could not get into St Albans after multiple attempts. Honest. She claims her athlete daughter is a student at Yale. And she thinks the johns (toilets) in public school are more disgusting than those in privates." After a few more involuntary jerky movements, the cuckoo bird, exasperated, with tears rolling down her beak exclaimed, "I think the boy who didn't get in St Albans is at Wootton..., no Whitman. I'm not making this up, really I'm not."

Finally, as if empathizing with the paranoid schizophrenic cuckoo, a nut from a tree branch above drops into the nest. The nut is dusted with a sprinkle of Seroquel. And the cuckoo birds ravenously chips away at the nut with joyous delight.

For those of you wondering what the heck is going on, this is a sample of Crazy Tiger Mom's style. It's actually quite entertaining. That is, until she gets into the stuff about how MoCo shouldn't lump those sweet Asian kids together with those badly-behaved minority kids, and then you sort of want to throttle her.

And no, both my kids are quite happy in their MoCo magnets, and we haven't done college yet. But thanks for placing my daughter at Yale anyway!

[Anonymous]

For those of you wondering what the heck is going on, this is a sample of Crazy Tiger Mom's style. It's actually quite entertaining. That is, until she gets into the stuff about how MoCo shouldn't lump those sweet Asian kids together with those badly-behaved minority kids, and then you sort of want to throttle her.

And no, both my kids are quite happy in their MoCo magnets, and we haven't done college yet. But thanks for placing my daughter at Yale anyway!

..."for those of you wondering...I'm not making this up, really."


No one is wondering.

Try another Seroquel laden as suggested.

[Anonymous]

...laden NUT.

[Anonymous]

If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

I think there was an article a while back in New York Times Magazine about just this topic -- the fact that there's a sort of glass ceiling for many Asians, and some attribute it to the fact that academic success and career success aren't always based on the same attributes. Anyone here remember this piece? I think it was from 2011.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

Socialized to be Betas.

[Anonymous]

If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

I think there was an article a while back in New York Times Magazine about just this topic -- the fact that there's a sort of glass ceiling for many Asians, and some attribute it to the fact that academic success and career success aren't always based on the same attributes. Anyone here remember this piece? I think it was from 2011.

There was a time when there was a glass ceiling for women. And a woman today earns 7/10th of the earnings of a man for the same work/job. I suspect women, too, can't think creatively and haven't inherited the same smarts as men.

[Anonymous]

If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

What do you mean by top spots?

What are the top jobs? Can you name the top jobs?

Do PhDs get the top jobs?

Do kids with trust funds get the top jobs? (e.g., Bushes, Kennedys, Rockerfellas, Cuomos)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

Socialized to be Betas.

Then aren't all non-whites socialized to be Betas by the white Alphas to keep their top positions? There might be some truth to this though. Hate those who rule but secretly relish their approval.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

If the Asians are getting all the top spots, how come they don't get all the top jobs? Is it just chalked up to the US being a white boys club, or is something else missing? I am Asian and knew many Asians growing up that could memorize things (mainly Chinese, not really Japanese), but couldn't really think creatively. Working hard is nice, but I inheriting your smarts is better.

What do you mean by top spots?

What are the top jobs? Can you name the top jobs?

Do PhDs get the top jobs?

Do kids with trust funds get the top jobs? (e.g., Bushes, Kennedys, Rockerfellas, Cuomos)

Asian POTUS or SCOTUS. Probably not in your lifetime.