July 24 - Maryland Board of Education Backs Race-Based Quota-System for School Discipline

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whose fault is that?

You're saying only blacks can teach blacks? that only Hispanics can teach Hispanics? Asians with Asians?

I think diversity is valuable, and as a white female who's the minority in my school, I would welcome an increase in rigor and expectations across the board for ALL students. But what I tend to see instead are teachers grumbling about low skills, handing out worksheets, and giving way too much seat work. This laziness stems from ignorance, as I've seen very few over the 20-some years I've taught who truly understand good planning.

And guess where many of my brilliant colleagues are now? in schools where there are few to no FARMs, where they can teach w/o killing themselves - I, in fact, am at that point in my career, as I've seen no change in instruction and few attempts at planning while keeping rigor at the center.

Five good teachers cannot transform a school. And while they may make a difference for a short period, once those kids leave them and enter classrooms where expectations were low, all that hard work amounts to nothing. I've seen it again and again and again.


So your statement is very simplistic.

Teaching is complex, and while I do believe institutionalized racism exists, there are still teachers of minority status who are also to blame for ignoring rigor, for giving out too much seat work, and for handing out worksheet after worksheet.

It all boils down to expectations.

Anonymous wrote:It is not suprising in America there is a disproportionate impact of discipline on minorities in public school. The teachers in American public school systems (e.g., MCPS) do not come close to representing the diversity of the students they teach. This rings true in almost every sector of American society. Study after study confirms inherent biases towards minorities after all is controlled for from health care disparities, public school discipline and public stops and searches. This dates back to teh post-recontruction period in her brief history.

I've been quietly following this thread but stepped in to ask what exactly is "seat work"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not suprising in America there is a disproportionate impact of discipline on minorities in public school. The teachers in American public school systems (e.g., MCPS) do not come close to representing the diversity of the students they teach. This rings true in almost every sector of American society. Study after study confirms inherent biases towards minorities after all is controlled for from health care disparities, public school discipline and public stops and searches. This dates back to teh post-recontruction period in her brief history.

Sorry I'm not buying it. O'Malley's policy, as presented, is a bad idea and your post has little to do with its real world implementation. It's got the right final objective in mind (reducing suspensions of minorities). However, the policy uses an improper methodology (a shallow, short-term gaming of the numbers) to feign an otherwise admirable end at the long-term expense our children (misbehaving and well mannered alike, regardless of race). Accountability is important.

From another school system jumping on to this new education "trend"....

Every commenter at the Oakland Tribune seems to "get it"

http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_2165...-feds-reduce-suspensions-black

nearly 5 pages of commenters at the Sacramento Bee "get it"

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/09/28/4863596/oakland-to-reduce-black-student.html

I don't expect anybody who gets their primary education from reading blogs and commentary rather than reading the primary papers and manuscripts on this subject to buy anything but Kool-aid.

The problem with this view is minorities are just as discriminatory to themselves as whites are in many cases. This is something engrained into the society as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Now that the story of this "social experiment" is making it to mainstream liberal outlets such as CNN, I have to wonder if the poster who attempted to delegitimatize the the OP by pointing out the DailyCaller's conservative leanings will admit to the inadequacy of that argument.

Obama's school discipline plan is overkill
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/28/opinion/navarrette-school-discipline-white-house/index.html?iid=article_sidebar


Come on, we know you're out there.

[Anonymous]

Won't they just go trolling for white kids to punish?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now that the story of this "social experiment" is making it to mainstream liberal outlets such as CNN, I have to wonder if the poster who attempted to delegitimatize the the OP by pointing out the DailyCaller's conservative leanings will admit to the inadequacy of that argument.

Obama's school discipline plan is overkill
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/28/opinion/navarrette-school-discipline-white-house/index.html?iid=article_sidebar


Come on, we know you're out there.

LOL!
CNN is not "liberal"
I worked there for over a decade... full of conservatives
Boy you need to get a life

[Anonymous]

I am Indian. I speak for all Indian parents that we want to relinquish this quota to more needy segments of the population. Feel free to use our "slots" for other races.

Let it not be said that we did not give up our place for the good of a community.

Is this racist? I am sorry but this is my genuine reaction to a very stupid and moronic policy by MCPS.

[Anonymous]

If you look at all the "at a glance sheets" at MCPS high schools, they list fights, suspensions etc... by race. In most high schools 90-100% are either black or hispanic. So if this new policy goes in place, you are telling me they either have to stop disciplining certain races or increase white and asians more to make up for it? INSANE

It is like reverse affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"it means that those sweet oriental kids are going to have to be suspended and expelled from schools at a rate that is equal to the rate that blacks are suspended, expelled, and otherwise punished regardless of what the reality is in the school system."

Just for your information - people aren't oriental. Rugs are oriental. People are Asian.

and who said they are sweet?

[Anonymous]

Y'all need to know what it is like to raise a black son. The threshold for assuming that he is screwing up is really really low.

[Anonymous]

Haven't read the whole thread, but a better policy would be to have guidelines for how different kind of offences will be punished.

Write it in plain English. Publicize it. And punish students based on that guideline. Regardless of race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Indian. I speak for all Indian parents that we want to relinquish this quota to more needy segments of the population. Feel free to use our "slots" for other races.

Let it not be said that we did not give up our place for the good of a community.

Is this racist? I am sorry but this is my genuine reaction to a very stupid and moronic policy by MCPS.

Why? What about when your kids do sneaky stuff? Should that be punished? Or when they aren't as civic minded as they should be? Heck as a professional, I see lots of fraud by people of all stripes including Indians, yup, a lot. I guess it comes out in adulthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am Indian. I speak for all Indian parents that we want to relinquish this quota to more needy segments of the population. Feel free to use our "slots" for other races.

Let it not be said that we did not give up our place for the good of a community.

Is this racist? I am sorry but this is my genuine reaction to a very stupid and moronic policy by MCPS.

Why? What about when your kids do sneaky stuff? Should that be punished? Or when they aren't as civic minded as they should be? Heck as a professional, I see lots of fraud by people of all stripes including Indians, yup, a lot. I guess it comes out in adulthood.

Yes, you are right. People from all races do bad things. So they all should be punished the same. To have a policy of race-based quota is moronic. What happens if in a particular year all offenses are committed by Indians and none by blacks? Would you punish some black kids just to fill the quota or would you not punish the Indian kids?

Have the same law for all people regardless of race. Simple.