Howard University Middle School of Mathematics and Science (MS)²

[Anonymous]

19:00 -- thanks for the perspective

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Gee, I wonder where this came from? Historically and culturally, the worst thing people of color did was give Europeans the benefit of the doubt. Not entirely "invalid, irrelevant or inappropriate."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

What does this diatribe have to do with HUMS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Talk about painting a segment of AAs with a brush of whatever...the demographics of DC are always changing. So what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

What does this diatribe have to do with HUMS?

Read the whole thread and you will see it has everything to do with this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Demographics have changed. Mindsets have not changed. That's how you have schools in this city that are performing at a high level (Achievement Prep, DC Prep, KIPP, Banneker, HUMS) and are entirely children of color. Perception in many cases is reality. I know this to be true as my peer group is very white, and many, for whatever lame reason, avoid Banneker (don't tour or apply). I heard the reasons and I've read in this forum one mom saying straight out that she thought her child would be a fish out of water. Okay. Now what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Talk about painting a segment of AAs with a brush of whatever...the demographics of DC are always changing. So what?

Too late for that "painting the brush" argument. All one has to do is look at things like theaccusatory tones on this message board of things like supposed AA exclusion at schools like Basis (despite the fact that many AA students are enrolled at Basis, and that AA families are among the organizers, leaders and members of their boosters) to see that mentality and cognitive dissonance of the facts in action and to see that this segment is the one painting itself with that brush - it didn't take anyone else to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is Howard University affiliated and there are people who think that is just a step above UDC. Consider this, Banneker is located across the street from Howard and SWW is located on the campus of George Washington and there's more credence to one than another. You can guess which one. Those who have graduated from HUMS and are attending DCPS schools are doing extremely well.

And this is such a wrong perception, it's really shameful.

This. Howard is a good school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Gee, I wonder where this came from? Historically and culturally, the worst thing people of color did was give Europeans the benefit of the doubt. Not entirely "invalid, irrelevant or inappropriate."

This^^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Gee, I wonder where this came from? Historically and culturally, the worst thing people of color did was give Europeans the benefit of the doubt. Not entirely "invalid, irrelevant or inappropriate."

This^^^

Sure, blame the Europeans for everything. But the fact is, Africans practiced slavery and exploitation on each other way back into history (Africans were selling slaves to Europeans) and it even continues to this day in some parts of Africa with African-on-African exploitation and human trafficking in Somalia, subsaharan Africa and elsewhere. But again, are you going to stay stuck in memes of the past and of elsewhere, or are you going to get with the HERE AND NOW?

[Anonymous]

PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

[Anonymous]

Becareful!!! Soon you will be accused of being a follower of Louis Farrakhan. Calm down, everything is going to be alright. Didn't I say hush about HUMS? It is an excellent school that is producing well sort-after students for the high-school level. While others non-AAs were trying to change a single school in their neighborhood. Howard University developed a middle school to serve all neigborhoods. If that's not the Kumbya way of doing things, then I don't know what is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to me some of the posters here are living in the past.

Now here's the real history lesson - prior to the Jim Crow laws, DC was truly segregated, and was 60 to 70 percent white. By the 1970s and 1980s, that reversed to being over 70% AA. But now, a few decades later, it's back to under 50% AA.

In the last several decades, there has been a steady influx of non-AA residents coming in, and some AA have moved to surrounding communities. Ask the typical non-AA where he or she is from and you will find that most of them are not from around here. Most are likely to be from all walks of life, from every part of the US, as well as from Europe, Asia and Latin America. But that's not unique to non-AA - my office is majority AA but on learning where they come from you are more likely to hear something like NYC, Jacksonville, North Carolina, Chicago, Trinidad, Massachusetts or Ghana than you will hear DC.

A lot has changed in these recent decades, yet there is that small segment of people with multi-generational history in the city and a culture of victimhood, who are still stuck in the past, some of whom will gladly paint all non-AA with the brush of whatever historic and institutional racism and segregation of DC, even though most non-AA in DC are strangers both to DC and to each other and do not have that history.

It's invalid, irrelevant and inappropriate.

Demographics have changed. Mindsets have not changed. That's how you have schools in this city that are performing at a high level (Achievement Prep, DC Prep, KIPP, Banneker, HUMS) and are entirely children of color. Perception in many cases is reality. I know this to be true as my peer group is very white, and many, for whatever lame reason, avoid Banneker (don't tour or apply). I heard the reasons and I've read in this forum one mom saying straight out that she thought her child would be a fish out of water. Okay. Now what?

Yes, I can't speak to the mindset of long-time AA residents but I know that white residents have avoided Banneker (and if they knew about HUMS, presumably that too). It's not like the culture of victimhood among some AA residents is the only perceptual problem we're facing in this city.