Hgh Wisc/Low GBRS

[Anonymous]

Also, the County does not have the resources to give the WISC to every second grader. It would be in the millions of dollars. They system in place (test scores + GBRS) works reasonably well for 97% of the cases. It would work better if the county did not discount high test scores because of the possibility of prepping.

for the few remaining children (about 300-400 annually), there is an appeals process.

[Anonymous]

Carol Horn herself told me kids with WISC in their high 130's have a better chance to get in on appeal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carol Horn herself told me kids with WISC in their high 130's have a better chance to get in on appeal.

Thank you and good to know!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Carol Horn herself told me kids with WISC in their high 130's have a better chance to get in on appeal.

I second this. (And I also heard this from Carol Horn.)

[Anonymous]

My child is in AAP. Her scores were mixed - some high and some low. She got in initially no appeal. I have no idea what her GBRS was. It could have been a 16 or perhaps it was a 6. I really don't know. In other words, I have no bias based on how my kid scored on GBRS.

To say that all teachers are trained to recognize gifted behaviors is not true. Some teachers may very well be trained. Others most definitely are not. Some teachers have been teaching for 35 years and probably have a good idea of how to recognize the children who need the Center. Other teachers are one year out of college and are just trying to keep up with all of the paperwork and everything else. And while they probably are doing the best they can on GBRS, do you really think all 22-year old teacers are really knowledgeable on how to score 30 kids on a gifted behavioral scale? Is there any standardized training for teachers by FCPS to fill out a GBRS?

While AART are trained, they most likely don't know 30 kids in the classroom times 3 or 4 classrooms. They may know a few of them who are pulled out once per week for enrichment., but even that is not enough time to know the child too well. Face it, the GBRS is done about halfway through the school year, and enrichment probably doesn't even start until October. How many times has the AART actually seen your your child, if at all?

As for prepping, there is no way, a child with a 100 non-prepped would score a 152 prepped. It would be very hard to prep a child to the highest end of the scale. Perhaps a 140 student could be prepped to a 152? A 100? No way.

I think the prepping claims are highly exaggerated on this board anyway. I don't think it is done to the degree that people think it is. And if it is, it's probably done by Tiger Mom families who push their kids in everything and probably get tutors, make their kids study hours each night, attend Kumon, etc. Those students likely won't have problems keeping up in an AAP class anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many times has the AART actually seen your your child, if at all?

If the AART has not seen the child during the school year, the child must be new to the school. AARTs go into all classrooms at least once each month. AARTs also prepare a GRBS score for all children starting in K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there any standardized training for teachers by FCPS to fill out a GBRS?

Yes, all AARTs receive training provided by FCPS central office staff on how to complete both the GBRS as well as the GBRS with Commentary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child is in AAP. Her scores were mixed - some high and some low. She got in initially no appeal. I have no idea what her GBRS was. It could have been a 16 or perhaps it was a 6. I really don't know. In other words, I have no bias based on how my kid scored on GBRS.

To say that all teachers are trained to recognize gifted behaviors is not true. Some teachers may very well be trained. Others most definitely are not. Some teachers have been teaching for 35 years and probably have a good idea of how to recognize the children who need the Center. Other teachers are one year out of college and are just trying to keep up with all of the paperwork and everything else. And while they probably are doing the best they can on GBRS, do you really think all 22-year old teacers are really knowledgeable on how to score 30 kids on a gifted behavioral scale? Is there any standardized training for teachers by FCPS to fill out a GBRS?

While AART are trained, they most likely don't know 30 kids in the classroom times 3 or 4 classrooms. They may know a few of them who are pulled out once per week for enrichment., but even that is not enough time to know the child too well. Face it, the GBRS is done about halfway through the school year, and enrichment probably doesn't even start until October. How many times has the AART actually seen your your child, if at all?

As for prepping, there is no way, a child with a 100 non-prepped would score a 152 prepped. It would be very hard to prep a child to the highest end of the scale. Perhaps a 140 student could be prepped to a 152? A 100? No way.



Very well said, I fully, fully agrre with you.

I think the prepping claims are highly exaggerated on this board anyway. I don't think it is done to the degree that people think it is. And if it is, it's probably done by Tiger Mom families who push their kids in everything and probably get tutors, make their kids study hours each night, attend Kumon, etc. Those students likely won't have problems keeping up in an AAP class anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Carol Horn herself told me kids with WISC in their high 130's have a better chance to get in on appeal.

I second this. (And I also heard this from Carol Horn.)

I third this. And I am Carol Horn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many times has the AART actually seen your your child, if at all?

If the AART has not seen the child during the school year, the child must be new to the school. AARTs go into all classrooms at least once each month. AARTs also prepare a GRBS score for all children starting in K.

This is not the case at our school. the aart sees the K children 3 or 4 times a year. Definitely not in every class once a month. Some schools have a full time aart and some share 1 half a week with another school. And there is no consistency on a GBRS score starting in K. If a teacher thinks a child needs to be pulled out, that's how children are identified. Not because an aart comes into the classroom and assigns each child a number. Every child is not gifted, and to think that each child is assigned a gifted number doesn't make sense. I guess most of the kids at every ES have a GBRS of 0? just becuase they are in general ed. No - the scale isn't used for all kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Carol Horn herself told me kids with WISC in their high 130's have a better chance to get in on appeal.

I second this. (And I also heard this from Carol Horn.)

I third this. And I am Carol Horn.

I fourth this. And I got this from Carol Horn's neighbor's dog. I think he may be possessed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every child is not gifted, and to think that each child is assigned a gifted number doesn't make sense. I guess most of the kids at every ES have a GBRS of 0? just becuase they are in general ed. No - the scale isn't used for all kids.

Yes it is. Read the Local Plan for the Gifted.

[Anonymous]

http://www.fcps.edu/is/aap/pdfs/localplan/FinalLocalPlan.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Carol Horn herself told me kids with WISC in their high 130's have a better chance to get in on appeal.


I second this. (And I also heard this from Carol Horn.)


I third this. And I am Carol Horn.


I fourth this. And I got this from Carol Horn's neighbor's dog. I think he may be possessed.

Fifth. And I don't even know Carol Horn's neighbor's dog.

[Anonymous]

My DD got FSIQ 142 GBRS 8 do u think DD can get in AAP x thanks