really interesting article on math and acceleration

[Anonymous]

A little off topic, but I'm curious what these advanced children learn during their math education if they are on this advanced track and say know all their addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division by 2nd grade or so. I have a friend with a kindergartener who knows addition and subtraction very well even with high numbers and has been moving on to multiplication and division. I'm just wondering where does this child end up at the end of elementary, middle, or high school? Is there any benefit to this type of acceleration in a public school setting or do you basically have to find a private school to handle children at a level like that?

Easy answer. Many of these kids find math mentors (e.g., parents, teachers, coaches) to guide them through when they have essentially mastered the watered down, superficial, shallow K through 12 school math curriculum by middle school. Examples of activities include outside math circles and clubs for problem solving, computer programming, dual enrollemt in math departments in unversity and community colleges while in the K through 12 grade system (with and without credit), other math application endeavours (e.g., physics, robotics, computer science). Get onto Art of Problem Solving website for answers to any of your curiosities about kids passionate about math.

Similar outlets for soccer, swimming, tennis, gymnastics, music, art and theatre exist in your own communities.

[Anonymous]

Actually these are the kids that invented the Internet and your precious iPad. These kids were constantly failing in school but showed up anyway because they understood that not being able to spell or learn phonics was not going to stop them. Yes they need spell check but they make your email work because when your write computer code you better get it right but it is not like english it actually make sense..

Their friends who are patted on their head for the 15 minutes of homework they do because and their straight A's are dropping out of college at an alarming rate because they actually have to work and sometimes fail and they can't handle it.

What fairy tale book are you reading? These kids have a much better appreciation and understanding of mathematics than the average Jack and Jill.

[Anonymous]

I agree - if the kid understand why or how then move on don't drive him crazy with math worksheets on the same thing over and over and over.

What nonsense are you talking about. Who has mentioned math worksheets but your very limited perceptions. Math ball game over if your kid is still struggling with addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, of positive and negative whole numbers, fractions and decimals in middle and high school. Higher maths are unlikely part of the future. Fact.

[Anonymous]

Me too - I know my sevens only because of football. Kids need to understand the concept but immediacy in 4 and 5 grade is shoudl not stop a kid from advanced math. You can tell all the kids that are great memorizers fail geormety because it requires understanding and logic.

It's quite obvious from your vapid responses you never went very far in the study of mathematics.

[Anonymous]

That thinking is why kids in college are taking remedial math a class I taught in college.

No kids that can memorize random fact are not necessarily logical thinkers. Most dyslexic kids can not do this and without a doubt can do it on a timed test. Dyslexic kids are notofiously slow at basic recall of random fact but excel in logical thinking.

Your thinking is the exact reason we are behind in Math in the US but Kumon is rocking financially.

And from this leap of logic, dyslexia promotes logical thinking and mathematical mastery and those without dyslexa simply memorize random facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Me too - I know my sevens only because of football. Kids need to understand the concept but immediacy in 4 and 5 grade is shoudl not stop a kid from advanced math. You can tell all the kids that are great memorizers fail geormety because it requires understanding and logic.

It's quite obvious from your vapid responses you never went very far in the study of mathematics.

Fail!

I have a degree in Math, I just got back from my review meeting on all the server upgrades that are being implemented this weekend. I have been a computer programmer, server operator, Math teacher (when I was 19 because after that the salary is dismal), statistician, hardware engineer - and yet I can't spell or tell you what 8x8 is.

You will also pay me $150/hour to tutor your 5th grader in Math but I think that is robbery so I only charge $50/hour for strangers and a botte of wine from friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

That thinking is why kids in college are taking remedial math a class I taught in college.

No kids that can memorize random fact are not necessarily logical thinkers. Most dyslexic kids can not do this and without a doubt can do it on a timed test. Dyslexic kids are notofiously slow at basic recall of random fact but excel in logical thinking.

Your thinking is the exact reason we are behind in Math in the US but Kumon is rocking financially.

And from this leap of logic, dyslexia promotes logical thinking and mathematical mastery and those without dyslexa simply memorize random facts.

You must be a memorizer.

Kids who can't memorize may be great at Math but are never given a chance.
Kids who can memorize may be great at Math and are pushed into advanced Math whether they want to or not. They may or may not know why 8x8 = 64 but they finished the timed test and are deamed experts and then some get lost when they have to apply it at a higher level.

Do you want me to draw you a Venn Diagram?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I agree - if the kid understand why or how then move on don't drive him crazy with math worksheets on the same thing over and over and over.

What nonsense are you talking about. Who has mentioned math worksheets but your very limited perceptions. Math ball game over if your kid is still struggling with addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, of positive and negative whole numbers, fractions and decimals in middle and high school. Higher maths are unlikely part of the future. Fact.

Do you have a kid in elementary school? If so, you are painfully aware of Math Minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Me too - I know my sevens only because of football. Kids need to understand the concept but immediacy in 4 and 5 grade is shoudl not stop a kid from advanced math. You can tell all the kids that are great memorizers fail geormety because it requires understanding and logic.

It's quite obvious from your vapid responses you never went very far in the study of mathematics.

From the guy who can figure out his remotes - or are they labeled.

[Anonymous]

Fail!

I have a degree in Math, I just got back from my review meeting on all the server upgrades that are being implemented this weekend. I have been a computer programmer, server operator, Math teacher (when I was 19 because after that the salary is dismal), statistician, hardware engineer - and yet I can't spell or tell you what 8x8 is.

You will also pay me $150/hour to tutor your 5th grader in Math but I think that is robbery so I only charge $50/hour for strangers and a botte of wine from friends

Yikes! No wonder we are in trouble in this country. I will not pay you any money. On the contrary, I will send you my bill for this continuing education.

[Anonymous]

Do you have a kid in elementary school? If so, you are painfully aware of Math Minutes.

Yes. Second Grade. What's painful about this? How long does this exercise last in your school?

[Anonymous]

From the guy who can figure out his remotes - or are they labeled.

Doesn't apply to our household since the we do not have a TV or subscribe to cable. The elementary kids will program the computer or use this device to access information under our guidance.

How many remotes do you have in your household?

[Anonymous]

You must be a memorizer.

Kids who can't memorize may be great at Math but are never given a chance.
Kids who can memorize may be great at Math and are pushed into advanced Math whether they want to or not. They may or may not know why 8x8 = 64 but they finished the timed test and are deamed experts and then some get lost when they have to apply it at a higher level.

Do you want me to draw you a Venn Diagram?

I will not deny the fact I have a great memory to boot.
My 4th grader is quite facile with Venn diagrams so I don't need you to draw a Venn diagram, you might continue to embarass yourself in the process.

[Anonymous]

Fail!

I have a degree in Math, I just got back from my review meeting on all the server upgrades that are being implemented this weekend. I have been a computer programmer, server operator, Math teacher (when I was 19 because after that the salary is dismal), statistician, hardware engineer - and yet I can't spell or tell you what 8x8 is.

You will also pay me $150/hour to tutor your 5th grader in Math but I think that is robbery so I only charge $50/hour for strangers and a botte of wine from friends.

You sound very stable. Unfortunately, there is no need for your exquisite high end computer talents. 8x8 = 64 in case you don't remenber.

[Anonymous]

Fail!

I have a degree in Math, I just got back from my review meeting on all the server upgrades that are being implemented this weekend. I have been a computer programmer, server operator, Math teacher (when I was 19 because after that the salary is dismal), statistician, hardware engineer - and yet I can't spell or tell you what 8x8 is.

You will also pay me $150/hour to tutor your 5th grader in Math but I think that is robbery so I only charge $50/hour for strangers and a botte of wine from friends.

Which community college or this an online degree in Math?