IFF findings for DCPS recommendations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, why can't DCPS just duplicate the successes of their own high-performing schools. If anyone can't see that this entire report was one-sided then you must be a troll.

This comparison of charter schools versus traditional public schools is breeding contempt more than competition. Also, it is a controlled form of union busting. But I digress, it is all about educating all of the children in our Nation's Capitol and not just on the hill or west of the park.

Because of the socio-economic differences in DC. There's not enough middle-class kids with educated, motivated parents to sufficieltly populate all the schools. If a rising tide lifts all boats, there's not enough tide, and too many boats.

[Anonymous]

I will not accept that fact. Now you have to be rich and educated to make DCPS thrive. Isn't that a hoot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The previous post should read like this:

"Yes, they are doing a better job. That's exactly why an outside authority recommended closing more DCPS and opening more charters. Go back and read the conclusions.

Also, many charters are started by parents and by educators, they're not here to make a profit. If they were, they wouldn't have gone into education. "

Response:
Many charters are started by parents and educators?? Name them please.

Mundo Verde. Inspired Teaching.

Thanks. That's two. Two is not "many."

Cap City, EL Haynes, Bridges, Two Rivers, Washington Yu Ying, Washington Latin, DC Prep, Basis...

Say, this list is starting to look a lot like the list of charters which get all the love and adoration on this board.

Oh, and at least 10? Is "many" after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will not accept that fact. Now you have to be rich and educated to make DCPS thrive. Isn't that a hoot.

And yet, KIPP makes it work for the poor and underprivileged as well. Damn those charters and their profit-driven motives, someone might think they've figured something out which DCPS has not.

Newsflash: if KIPP makes money by educating kids that DCPS has failed for generations? Then making money deserves to come back into style.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will not accept that fact. Now you have to be rich and educated to make DCPS thrive. Isn't that a hoot.

No, of course not. But that's not what I said. But it is undisputed that the education level of the mother is the single most predictive factor of a kid's success in school. In addition, kids with lower socio-economic status perform much better when in school with kids who are middle and upper-middle class.

Is it possible to have poor kids perform very well in a school where all kids are poor? Of course. It's just a lot harder. And DC's track record in such situations isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will not accept that fact. Now you have to be rich and educated to make DCPS thrive. Isn't that a hoot.

And yet, KIPP makes it work for the poor and underprivileged as well. Damn those charters and their profit-driven motives, someone might think they've figured something out which DCPS has not.

Newsflash: if KIPP makes money by educating kids that DCPS has failed for generations? Then making money deserves to come back into style.

I've in favor of the opportunity KIPP gives motivated families and their kids a chance for a good education while staying in their communities. I don't mind that KIPP makes money doing it. However, I don't think they could succeed if they tried to serve everyone in that community, because not everyone is motivated and ready to learn according to KIPP standards.

Neighborhood schools are charged with educating all children. They need more supports to do that. Closing them down and trying to turn them into KIPPs won't work, except for a fortunate few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will not accept that fact. Now you have to be rich and educated to make DCPS thrive. Isn't that a hoot.

And yet, KIPP makes it work for the poor and underprivileged as well. Damn those charters and their profit-driven motives, someone might think they've figured something out which DCPS has not.

Newsflash: if KIPP makes money by educating kids that DCPS has failed for generations? Then making money deserves to come back into style.

I've in favor of the opportunity KIPP gives motivated families and their kids a chance for a good education while staying in their communities. I don't mind that KIPP makes money doing it. However, I don't think they could succeed if they tried to serve everyone in that community, because not everyone is motivated and ready to learn according to KIPP standards.

Neighborhood schools are charged with educating all children. They need more supports to do that. Closing them down and trying to turn them into KIPPs won't work, except for a fortunate few.

I agree with this. And on the other end of the spectrum, many kids don't need KIPP to succeed, because they have supportive, educated, motivated parents. I guess the poral of the story is no one model works best for every kid. Shocking, I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The previous post should read like this:

"Yes, they are doing a better job. That's exactly why an outside authority recommended closing more DCPS and opening more charters. Go back and read the conclusions.

Also, many charters are started by parents and by educators, they're not here to make a profit. If they were, they wouldn't have gone into education. "

Response:
Many charters are started by parents and educators?? Name them please.

Mundo Verde. Inspired Teaching.

Thanks. That's two. Two is not "many."

Two Rivers
Cap City

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The previous post should read like this:

"Yes, they are doing a better job. That's exactly why an outside authority recommended closing more DCPS and opening more charters. Go back and read the conclusions.

Also, many charters are started by parents and by educators, they're not here to make a profit. If they were, they wouldn't have gone into education. "

Response:
Many charters are started by parents and educators?? Name them please.

Mundo Verde. Inspired Teaching.

Thanks. That's two. Two is not "many."

Cap City, EL Haynes, Bridges, Two Rivers, Washington Yu Ying, Washington Latin, DC Prep, Basis...

Say, this list is starting to look a lot like the list of charters which get all the love and adoration on this board.

Oh, and at least 10? Is "many" after all.

Check the websites and you'll see that several of these were not started by parents or educators -- haynes, DC Prep, Yu Ying, Basis

[Anonymous]

Check the websites and you'll see that several of these were not started by parents or educators -- haynes, DC Prep, Yu Ying, Basis

You're going to have a tough time arguing that Jennie Niles, founder of EL Haynes, isn't an educator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, why can't DCPS just duplicate the successes of their own high-performing schools. If anyone can't see that this entire report was one-sided then you must be a troll.

This comparison of charter schools versus traditional public schools is breeding contempt more than competition. Also, it is a controlled form of union busting. But I digress, it is all about educating all of the children in our Nation's Capitol and not just on the hill or west of the park.

Because of the socio-economic differences in DC. There's not enough middle-class kids with educated, motivated parents to sufficieltly populate all the schools. If a rising tide lifts all boats, there's not enough tide, and too many boats.

o
I a big union supporter and a charter supporter--the teacher's union have to complete their mental shift into one of organizing--there are plenty of charter school in dc where teachers are treated poorly, have unfair discipline, and experience high churn. Just like many schools in DCPS. If the teacher's union came up with a stream lined contract that addressed the concerns of charter teachers while allowing charter's to be flexible and get rid of poor performers than there is no reason that a union for the charter movement couldn't be successful. Unions have basically died in the private sector unless they have been able to change and innovate. Don't bitch about union busting, think about the problems many charter school teachers face and create a vehicle to help them address their problems.

[Anonymous]

Yes, that's exactly what charter schools need - the involvement of the DC teachers' union. Because they have a real reputation for flexibility.

Please.

[Anonymous]

KIPP was started by two twenty something teachers.
BASIS was started by two parents.

What is your point? Do you think any of them are rolling in cash post turning "corporate?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: I agree with this. And on the other end of the spectrum, many kids don't need KIPP to succeed, because they have supportive, educated, motivated parents. I guess the poral of the story is no one model works best for every kid. Shocking, I know.

Not shocking -- it just suggests that if DC went all charter (except for the neighborhood schools that have always done well) then the charter system model wouldn't serve all kids either.

The idea is not to customize public schools for each child, but to develop a flexible model where all kids can get a decent education.

Families lucky (rich) enough to live in tier one DCPS schools never have to worry about winning a lottery to be assured of a good education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Check the websites and you'll see that several of these were not started by parents or educators -- haynes, DC Prep, Yu Ying, Basis

You're going to have a tough time arguing that Jennie Niles, founder of EL Haynes, isn't an educator.

Ditto convincing the Yu Ying founders and BASIS founder that they're not parents who founded their schools to create the education they wanted for their child(ren).