daughters of the american revolution

[Anonymous]

There was a scandal in the 1980s, too, about an AA woman who was denied membership with inappropriate comments.

And the whole institution was started around the 1890s when another massive wave of immigration got some WASP knickers in a twist.

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Anonymous wrote:I qualify for DAR too but would not want to join because they have a history of racism and antisemitism. Not sure if they have done anything to address these connotations or not.

any organization older than 50 years old probably has a few black marks. times change. its a very nice group of ladies that do good work and try to help.

Yeah, but they were still blocking admission to black women in the 80's. They were pretty late to the racial equality table.

I'd guess it be pretty hard for most black women to prove citizenship pre-revolution, correct? seriously, how would you? I'm sure many would qualify, but would probably be hard to get the records, etc.

in any event, its a nice old fashioned club for little old ladies to hold tea parties and erect historical markers. I wouldnt take it too seriously either way.

Seriously? Almost all AA's have some white person in their ancestry. Your grandfather could be white and descended from Patrick Henry. Or great grandmother, or great great grandmother. How unimaginable is that?

but how do you prove that? that don't use DNA testing, they look at birth certificates, etc.

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Sounds like we should be ashamed our ancestors fought in the Revolution? They were actually the radical libs of their time.

Not really. Many of them were reactionary slave-owners. When the war ended 20,000 African-Americans chose to go live in Canada and other parts of the British Empire rather than return to the slavery and racism of the free colonies.

16:59 here. I don't like to get into arguments but you leave me no choice! My family was from New England, no slaves, just abolitionists and hard working, independent Yankees..

""don't judge me till you've walked a mile in my moccasins.."

[Anonymous]

Hey, did they wear white hoods?

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Hey, did they wear white hoods?

Takes one to know one...WTF

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Sounds like we should be ashamed our ancestors fought in the Revolution? They were actually the radical libs of their time.

Not really. Many of them were reactionary slave-owners. When the war ended 20,000 African-Americans chose to go live in Canada and other parts of the British Empire rather than return to the slavery and racism of the free colonies.

16:59 here. I don't like to get into arguments but you leave me no choice! My family was from New England, no slaves, just abolitionists and hard working, independent Yankees..

""don't judge me till you've walked a mile in my moccasins.."

Sorry to burst your bubble dear, but there were plenty of slaves in New England. And some of the biggest slave-importing shipping families lived in Rhode Island.

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You are such a smarty pants!!!

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Sounds like we should be ashamed our ancestors fought in the Revolution? They were actually the radical libs of their time.

Not really. Many of them were reactionary slave-owners. When the war ended 20,000 African-Americans chose to go live in Canada and other parts of the British Empire rather than return to the slavery and racism of the free colonies.

16:59 here. I don't like to get into arguments but you leave me no choice! My family was from New England, no slaves, just abolitionists and hard working, independent Yankees..

""don't judge me till you've walked a mile in my moccasins.."

I don't know about your family in particular, but slavery in New England took hold years before it did in the South.
http://www.slavenorth.com/slavenorth.htm

[Anonymous]

how is it relevant what someone did 300 years ago to today? slavery was common everywhere in history, Egypt, Roman, Greek, Africa and the New World. Don't see the point ...

in any event, DAR is not at all racist and does many worthwhile charitable things. Meet some members if you have any questions, and ignore the silly troll on this thread.

[Anonymous]

How many of you belong to country clubs around here? Take a look at their histroy, I reemmber our club growing up around here - no black, no asians, no ifs and or buts.

and this ways the early 80s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:how is it relevant what someone did 300 years ago to today? slavery was common everywhere in history, Egypt, Roman, Greek, Africa and the New World. Don't see the point ...

in any event, DAR is not at all racist and does many worthwhile charitable things. Meet some members if you have any questions, and ignore the silly troll on this thread.

DAR excludes children by adoption from joining. They value only bloodlines. How do you justify that in this day and age?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:how is it relevant what someone did 300 years ago to today? slavery was common everywhere in history, Egypt, Roman, Greek, Africa and the New World. Don't see the point ...

in any event, DAR is not at all racist and does many worthwhile charitable things. Meet some members if you have any questions, and ignore the silly troll on this thread.

You're really on top of things, aren't you? The Marian Anderson issue happened in the 1940's, not 300 years ago. And slavery ended in the 1860's....again, not 300 years ago. Racism in this country did not end -- wait for it -- 300 years ago. That's why many people feel it's important to look at the history of an institution before one joins. Otherwise, you may be associating with racists. Who are, in fact, the silly trolls -- not the poster who pointed out the history of overt racism in the DAR.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you belong to country clubs around here? Take a look at their histroy, I reemmber our club growing up around here - no black, no asians, no ifs and or buts.

and this ways the early 80s

And your family paid money to belong? Nice.

I remember asking my parents in the early 80s why we didn't belong to the country club with the nicer pool, and they told me flat-out that the "better" club excluded black people, and they wanted nothing to do with such an organization. I was in 1st grade. It made an impression. I never complained about our second-rate club again.

I also qualify for DAR, but would never join. I would be very happy to see organizations like that wither and die. This is America. Let's study our history, and celebrate our future -- a future that includes everyone willing to work for it.

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Anonymous wrote:how is it relevant what someone did 300 years ago to today? slavery was common everywhere in history, Egypt, Roman, Greek, Africa and the New World. Don't see the point ...

in any event, DAR is not at all racist and does many worthwhile charitable things. Meet some members if you have any questions, and ignore the silly troll on this thread.

You're really on top of things, aren't you? The Marian Anderson issue happened in the 1940's, not 300 years ago. And slavery ended in the 1860's....again, not 300 years ago. Racism in this country did not end -- wait for it -- 300 years ago. That's why many people feel it's important to look at the history of an institution before one joins. Otherwise, you may be associating with racists. Who are, in fact, the silly trolls -- not the poster who pointed out the history of overt racism in the DAR.

DAR stands for daughters of the american REVOLUTION, which is a lot closer to 300 years ago than the 1940s.

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Anonymous wrote:how is it relevant what someone did 300 years ago to today? slavery was common everywhere in history, Egypt, Roman, Greek, Africa and the New World. Don't see the point ...

in any event, DAR is not at all racist and does many worthwhile charitable things. Meet some members if you have any questions, and ignore the silly troll on this thread.

DAR excludes children by adoption from joining. They value only bloodlines. How do you justify that in this day and age?

because adopted children are not descended from people who fought in the revolution (at least not through their adopted parents). that is the whole basis of the organization, and they are free to make up their own rules.