Calling all charter school parents, teachers, and staff to go to the DC Council legislative meeting on June 2

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As a principled matter, these schools should have to take all comers if they want the same funding.

You keep saying this. But what other posters are trying to say is that even if DCPS schools technically accept students, they are completely failing these students by not teaching them. Ballou, for example, is very under enrolled, bc parents who live in Ward 8 who want their kids to have any kind of future put them in a charter. And secondly, the chronic absentee rate at Ballou is 90 percent. That is an insane number and a complete failure on the part of DCPS.

I sent my kids to DCPS for elementary and loved it. But I can acknowledge that the system is failing to teach a huge number of kids, and that many charters have stepped up to teach them, with variable results (some good some bad).

And the parents who live in W8 or any other ward who don’t care? Their kids are at DCPS schools where teachers and admin have to provide a social safety net that charters do not. These are the expensive kids. These are the kids charters throw back.

Most kids in Ward 7 and 8 go to charters. Students at DCPS, on average, are whiter and wealthier than charter kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh I get it. Latin does amazing things, while Ballou fails kids. So charters should get more support.

Now let's compare Walls to any of the *80* charter schools that have closed since 1996.

Until this year, kids at Latin's Cooper campus had to play and have gym class in the parking lot, among the teachers' cars, because there was nowhere else for them to do it.

Here's Ballou: https://perkinswill.com/project/ballou-senior-high-school/

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As a principled matter, these schools should have to take all comers if they want the same funding.

You keep saying this. But what other posters are trying to say is that even if DCPS schools technically accept students, they are completely failing these students by not teaching them. Ballou, for example, is very under enrolled, bc parents who live in Ward 8 who want their kids to have any kind of future put them in a charter. And secondly, the chronic absentee rate at Ballou is 90 percent. That is an insane number and a complete failure on the part of DCPS.

I sent my kids to DCPS for elementary and loved it. But I can acknowledge that the system is failing to teach a huge number of kids, and that many charters have stepped up to teach them, with variable results (some good some bad).

lol, I don't keep saying anything. That was my first post in this thread. This is my second. There's more than one of us making this simple argument--that charters are also "completely failing these students" by booting them out, back to DCPS, but keeping the funding. That’s a scam.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As a principled matter, these schools should have to take all comers if they want the same funding.

You keep saying this. But what other posters are trying to say is that even if DCPS schools technically accept students, they are completely failing these students by not teaching them. Ballou, for example, is very under enrolled, bc parents who live in Ward 8 who want their kids to have any kind of future put them in a charter. And secondly, the chronic absentee rate at Ballou is 90 percent. That is an insane number and a complete failure on the part of DCPS.

I sent my kids to DCPS for elementary and loved it. But I can acknowledge that the system is failing to teach a huge number of kids, and that many charters have stepped up to teach them, with variable results (some good some bad).

And the parents who live in W8 or any other ward who don’t care? Their kids are at DCPS schools where teachers and admin have to provide a social safety net that charters do not. These are the expensive kids. These are the kids charters throw back.

Most kids in Ward 7 and 8 go to charters. Students at DCPS, on average, are whiter and wealthier than charter kids.

Yet you do not name any excellent charters in those wards. You always compare by saying Basis or the like needs the money.

Saying DCPS fails the kids like the charters in those wards are doing the same job as schools like Walls, Basis, etc. Seriously? How disingenuous.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh I get it. Latin does amazing things, while Ballou fails kids. So charters should get more support.

Now let's compare Walls to any of the *80* charter schools that have closed since 1996.

Until this year, kids at Latin's Cooper campus had to play and have gym class in the parking lot, among the teachers' cars, because there was nowhere else for them to do it.

Here's Ballou: https://perkinswill.com/project/ballou-senior-high-school/

Yes, Ballou was ridiculously renovated (last decade).

Most DCPS schools are nothing like Ballou.

Many DCPS schools don't have gyms and have limited outdoor space.

So again, you can keep cherrypicking the best of one system vs the worst of the other system, but it is a useless approach to illustrating any real point.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As a principled matter, these schools should have to take all comers if they want the same funding.

You keep saying this. But what other posters are trying to say is that even if DCPS schools technically accept students, they are completely failing these students by not teaching them. Ballou, for example, is very under enrolled, bc parents who live in Ward 8 who want their kids to have any kind of future put them in a charter. And secondly, the chronic absentee rate at Ballou is 90 percent. That is an insane number and a complete failure on the part of DCPS.

I sent my kids to DCPS for elementary and loved it. But I can acknowledge that the system is failing to teach a huge number of kids, and that many charters have stepped up to teach them, with variable results (some good some bad).

lol, I don't keep saying anything. That was my first post in this thread. This is my second. There's more than one of us making this simple argument--that charters are also "completely failing these students" by booting them out, back to DCPS, but keeping the funding. That’s a scam.

+1 People must think others are completely stupid. Like the only charters are Latin, Basis, or the like.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As a principled matter, these schools should have to take all comers if they want the same funding.

You keep saying this. But what other posters are trying to say is that even if DCPS schools technically accept students, they are completely failing these students by not teaching them. Ballou, for example, is very under enrolled, bc parents who live in Ward 8 who want their kids to have any kind of future put them in a charter. And secondly, the chronic absentee rate at Ballou is 90 percent. That is an insane number and a complete failure on the part of DCPS.

I sent my kids to DCPS for elementary and loved it. But I can acknowledge that the system is failing to teach a huge number of kids, and that many charters have stepped up to teach them, with variable results (some good some bad).

lol, I don't keep saying anything. That was my first post in this thread. This is my second. There's more than one of us making this simple argument--that charters are also "completely failing these students" by booting them out, back to DCPS, but keeping the funding. That’s a scam.

+1 People must think others are completely stupid. Like the only charters are Latin, Basis, or the like.

Latin and BASIS do the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As a principled matter, these schools should have to take all comers if they want the same funding.

You keep saying this. But what other posters are trying to say is that even if DCPS schools technically accept students, they are completely failing these students by not teaching them. Ballou, for example, is very under enrolled, bc parents who live in Ward 8 who want their kids to have any kind of future put them in a charter. And secondly, the chronic absentee rate at Ballou is 90 percent. That is an insane number and a complete failure on the part of DCPS.

I sent my kids to DCPS for elementary and loved it. But I can acknowledge that the system is failing to teach a huge number of kids, and that many charters have stepped up to teach them, with variable results (some good some bad).

lol, I don't keep saying anything. That was my first post in this thread. This is my second. There's more than one of us making this simple argument--that charters are also "completely failing these students" by booting them out, back to DCPS, but keeping the funding. That’s a scam.

+1 People must think others are completely stupid. Like the only charters are Latin, Basis, or the like.

Latin and BASIS do the same thing.

What does that matter? They still aren’t the only charters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is it. It's fair to say DCPS wastes money AND the idea that DC should spend the same money on real estate it doesn't own but that in fact may benefit a private organization is silly.

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Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

Because they are not serving all DC students. DCPS schools serve all students. Charters don't. People know this. They just obtusely refuse to accept it.

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Anonymous wrote:NP who is more neutral on this conversation. Except with Basis- Basis actively removes students who cannot keep up with their program and does not backfill. I’m not against the program, but they should not get as much funding as the schools those students who they effectively kick out end up at.

Schools get money per student, dumbsh*t.

But the money doesn’t follow kids after count day dumba*s. So when DCPS takes those kids, Basis pockets the money and doesn’t have to educate the kid they pushed out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

Because they are not serving all DC students. DCPS schools serve all students. Charters don't. People know this. They just obtusely refuse to accept it.

Think about what th word "serve" means and then maybe you will realize why half the families opt into charters.

The animosity towards charters is so weird to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh I get it. Latin does amazing things, while Ballou fails kids. So charters should get more support.

Now let's compare Walls to any of the *80* charter schools that have closed since 1996.

Until this year, kids at Latin's Cooper campus had to play and have gym class in the parking lot, among the teachers' cars, because there was nowhere else for them to do it.

Here's Ballou: https://perkinswill.com/project/ballou-senior-high-school/

Yes, Ballou was ridiculously renovated (last decade).

Most DCPS schools are nothing like Ballou.

Many DCPS schools don't have gyms and have limited outdoor space.

So again, you can keep cherrypicking the best of one system vs the worst of the other system, but it is a useless approach to illustrating any real point.

What are you even talking about? The city is spending *billions* renovating DCPS schools. These schools are so over-the-top fancy they are used by architectural firms in their advertising.

Duke Ellington (600 students, $180 million): https://cgsarchitects.com/projects/duke-ellington-school-arts/

John Lewis (500 students, $78 million): https://www.perkinseastman.com/projects/john-lewis-elementary-school/

Raymond (439 students, $63 million): https://studios.com/raymond-elementary-school.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh I get it. Latin does amazing things, while Ballou fails kids. So charters should get more support.

Now let's compare Walls to any of the *80* charter schools that have closed since 1996.

Until this year, kids at Latin's Cooper campus had to play and have gym class in the parking lot, among the teachers' cars, because there was nowhere else for them to do it.

Here's Ballou: https://perkinswill.com/project/ballou-senior-high-school/

Yes, Ballou was ridiculously renovated (last decade).

Most DCPS schools are nothing like Ballou.

Many DCPS schools don't have gyms and have limited outdoor space.

So again, you can keep cherrypicking the best of one system vs the worst of the other system, but it is a useless approach to illustrating any real point.

What are you even talking about? The city is spending *billions* renovating DCPS schools. These schools are so over-the-top fancy they are used by architectural firms in their advertising.

Duke Ellington (600 students, $180 million): https://cgsarchitects.com/projects/duke-ellington-school-arts/

John Lewis (500 students, $78 million): https://www.perkinseastman.com/projects/john-lewis-elementary-school/

Raymond (439 students, $63 million): https://studios.com/raymond-elementary-school.html

You realize that DCPS has over 100 schools?

Also, before renovation, many were/are in frightful condition.

And, yes, the Duke Ellington renovation (last decade) was absurdly planned and managed. Taxpayers should have been -- and were -- disgusted with the process and costs. All right there in Google for you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh I get it. Latin does amazing things, while Ballou fails kids. So charters should get more support.

Now let's compare Walls to any of the *80* charter schools that have closed since 1996.

Until this year, kids at Latin's Cooper campus had to play and have gym class in the parking lot, among the teachers' cars, because there was nowhere else for them to do it.

Here's Ballou: https://perkinswill.com/project/ballou-senior-high-school/

Yes, Ballou was ridiculously renovated (last decade).

Most DCPS schools are nothing like Ballou.

Many DCPS schools don't have gyms and have limited outdoor space.

So again, you can keep cherrypicking the best of one system vs the worst of the other system, but it is a useless approach to illustrating any real point.

What are you even talking about? The city is spending *billions* renovating DCPS schools. These schools are so over-the-top fancy they are used by architectural firms in their advertising.

Duke Ellington (600 students, $180 million): https://cgsarchitects.com/projects/duke-ellington-school-arts/

John Lewis (500 students, $78 million): https://www.perkinseastman.com/projects/john-lewis-elementary-school/

Raymond (439 students, $63 million): https://studios.com/raymond-elementary-school.html

You realize that DCPS has over 100 schools?

Also, before renovation, many were/are in frightful condition.

And, yes, the Duke Ellington renovation (last decade) was absurdly planned and managed. Taxpayers should have been -- and were -- disgusted with the process and costs. All right there in Google for you.

These schools are not outliers. The city plans to renovate every single DCPS school. It's just gross and frankly Trump-like that the city lavishes so much on even tiny DCPS schools while purposely starving charters of money. I can't believe I have to say this, but these kids all deserve an equal chance regardless of which school system their parents pick.