Calling all charter school parents, teachers, and staff to go to the DC Council legislative meeting on June 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Many of these renovations haven't even been completed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way the city discriminates against charter school kids is pretty shameful, and also probably illegal.

It’s probably not illegal. If it were, the legions of charter parents who are lawyers would have sued by now.

You should learn to make better assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Many of these renovations haven't even been completed.

Yep. And some of them are very old news -- particularly among the really big $$. The list spans 15 years.

This is all covered in the other thread. This thread does not need to rehash it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

Some of these schools only have a couple hundred students. Maybe they should be closed and consolidated instead of given fancy makeovers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

Some of these schools only have a couple hundred students. Maybe they should be closed and consolidated instead of given fancy makeovers.

Because if we close the school and take a wrecking ball to the building, we get the money back, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way the city discriminates against charter school kids is pretty shameful, and also probably illegal.

It’s probably not illegal. If it were, the legions of charter parents who are lawyers would have sued by now.

You should learn to make better assumptions.

You should meet the charter school parents I know. If it was actionable, they would sue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

[Anonymous]

Do charters take all comers? Do they backfill seats? Do they get rid of their most challenging students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

Some of these DCPS schools the city spends all these millions renovating have been all-but-abandoned by families who live in boundary. There's a grand total of 246 students at Anacostia High School.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC will spend $100 million renovating a single school, even if it only has a few hundred students, but only if it's DCPS. Sorry charters! A sampling of the cost recent school renovations. Notice a pattern?

Duke Ellington -- $180 million
Coolidge -- $160 million
Jackson-Reid -- $130 million
Dunbar -- $125 million
Roosevelt -- $125 million
Woodson -- $100 million
Tubman -- $100 million
Deal -- $100 million
JO Wilson -- $91 million
Cardozo -- $90 million
Deal -- $90 million
Ballou -- $90 million
Jefferson -- $90 million
Burrville -- $85 million
Truesdell -- $80 million
Oyster Adams -- $79 million
Burroughs -- $75 million
Janney -- $70 million
MLK -- $65 million
Dorothy Height -- $63 million
Garfield -- $60.5 million
Anacostia -- $60 million

So exhausting. The big items on the list are from 15 years ago.

The BS of presenting your case with this list was discussed extensively in the other thread.

It doesn't help your pitch to argue against data points that aren't relevant, nor does it help to argue that two wrongs make a right.

Uh, you can drive by Tubman and see it's not finished. They're spending $100 million to renovate a school that has barely 400 students. That's more than twice as much as it cost to build DCI, which was built out of an old military dormitory and has 1,700 students.

DP and DCI built both a middle and high school so really 2 schools and cost less than all the schools above.

It’s ridiculous how much money was wasted and unnecessary with all these renovations with no budget constraints or accountability. As taxpayers, we should all be upset about this.

Agree there needs to be a better process. Disagree that charters should be part of it. That’s the price of independence. If you want more money, backfill your seats and stop returning the kids you don’t want to their neighborhood schools.

This is a strange myth DCPS people tell themselves. There was never any trade where charters got less money in exchange for independence. Charters were created because people felt that DCPS was doing a *terrible* job. The city couldn't exactly close all DCPS schools, so they created a second school system to compete with DPCS. It would be like if your employer hired someone else to do your job, but didn't fire you. Everyone is free to choose from the two systems and they're supposed to be funded equally. Instead DC has retaliated by systematically shortchanged charters while lavishing money on DCPS. The funny thing is people still choose charters.

Well, even though they are shortchanged by DC, some charters in DC still offer great educational options, including BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI.

Why should BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI receive less money per student than, say, any random DCPS school? As a principled matter, that is unfair.

It is also doubly ridiculous because these charter schools are doing an outstanding job educating kids. In contrast, many DCPS schools are a complete failure and waste of money. For example, over 90 percent of kids at Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools are functionally illiterate. Those schools are doing a terrible job with the money they already receive. Why are they receiving MORE money per student than successful charters such as BASIS DC, Latin, and DCI?

Worse, DCPS has spent over $340 million completing modernizing and renovating just Anacostia, Ballou, and Cardozo high schools, even though most of the kids there can't read or do basic math, and billions more modernizing and renovating other DCPS schools. Meanwhile, successful charters who send many kids to Top 20 colleges every year operate in crumbling buildings and have to pay for their own renovations.

Utter stupidity.

As you surely know, *some* do a great job of educating students, and some charters do a terrible job –- just like DCPS.

Also, DC is not lavishing money on DCPS. DC is lavishing money on developers and construction companies.

Just because the top line says it's a $60 million renovation does not mean the students are getting a $60 million school. DCPS absolutely does a lot of stupid things, but the overpayment of construction cost is on DC, not DCPS.