Bathroom vape gangs - where are the SROs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks SROs have the ability to CHARGE kids with anything, let alone criminal charges for possessing a vape, is not even knowledgeable enough to have this convo. Cops do not charge anyone with anything, first of all. District attorneys do that. Do they mean write a citation? Maybe but again SROs are not in schools to actively police the kids , they are there to respond to true security issues or weapons violence. And owning a vape is not a civil nor criminal infraction, it’s a violation of school policies. SROs are not employees of FCPS. They cannot enforce FCPS disciplinary policies.

It’s a class 4 misdemeanor aka a crime to possess a nicotine or marijuana product intended for smoking including vaping or even rolling papers under 21. Also we have commonwealth attorneys, not district attorneys. Can you please not join a “convo” and tell everyone else how theyre too dumb to understand when you’re the only one talking out of your ass? Maybe it was the bathroom talk that brought you here but I’ll go ahead and flush your opinion from here on out.

If a kid keeps getting caught and the collective environment is to the point where students feel unsafe or unable to use a bathroom, send them to diversion, second strike misdemeanor, third strike second misdemeanor and expulsion. If adults stood strong kids and enforced consistent standards and consequences, kids would learn quickly. Permissive parenting doesn’t work.

To those complainer teachers are too busy - how did the teachers of yore ever get all their work done before the digital age?

And to the teacher saying I lost her by saying shut the faculty bathrooms down if kids can’t go either, it’s not because I think you’re equals (though teacher professionalism is basically nonexistent snd half of them dress just like the kids and talk like them too), it’s because you are all union employees are you not? And yet instead of actually using your collective power to stand up against the admin you have actively allowed the admin to ruin the schools, instead of standing strong against wave after wave of stupidity you’ve been complicit and go along to get along. You share responsibility for this mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks SROs have the ability to CHARGE kids with anything, let alone criminal charges for possessing a vape, is not even knowledgeable enough to have this convo. Cops do not charge anyone with anything, first of all. District attorneys do that. Do they mean write a citation? Maybe but again SROs are not in schools to actively police the kids , they are there to respond to true security issues or weapons violence. And owning a vape is not a civil nor criminal infraction, it’s a violation of school policies. SROs are not employees of FCPS. They cannot enforce FCPS disciplinary policies.

It’s a class 4 misdemeanor aka a crime to possess a nicotine or marijuana product intended for smoking including vaping or even rolling papers under 21. Also we have commonwealth attorneys, not district attorneys. Can you please not join a “convo” and tell everyone else how theyre too dumb to understand when you’re the only one talking out of your ass? Maybe it was the bathroom talk that brought you here but I’ll go ahead and flush your opinion from here on out.

If a kid keeps getting caught and the collective environment is to the point where students feel unsafe or unable to use a bathroom, send them to diversion, second strike misdemeanor, third strike second misdemeanor and expulsion. If adults stood strong kids and enforced consistent standards and consequences, kids would learn quickly. Permissive parenting doesn’t work.

To those complainer teachers are too busy - how did the teachers of yore ever get all their work done before the digital age?

And to the teacher saying I lost her by saying shut the faculty bathrooms down if kids can’t go either, it’s not because I think you’re equals (though teacher professionalism is basically nonexistent snd half of them dress just like the kids and talk like them too), it’s because you are all union employees are you not? And yet instead of actually using your collective power to stand up against the admin you have actively allowed the admin to ruin the schools, instead of standing strong against wave after wave of stupidity you’ve been complicit and go along to get along. You share responsibility for this mess.

Oh my god you’re annoying .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks SROs have the ability to CHARGE kids with anything, let alone criminal charges for possessing a vape, is not even knowledgeable enough to have this convo. Cops do not charge anyone with anything, first of all. District attorneys do that. Do they mean write a citation? Maybe but again SROs are not in schools to actively police the kids , they are there to respond to true security issues or weapons violence. And owning a vape is not a civil nor criminal infraction, it’s a violation of school policies. SROs are not employees of FCPS. They cannot enforce FCPS disciplinary policies.

It’s a class 4 misdemeanor aka a crime to possess a nicotine or marijuana product intended for smoking including vaping or even rolling papers under 21. Also we have commonwealth attorneys, not district attorneys. Can you please not join a “convo” and tell everyone else how theyre too dumb to understand when you’re the only one talking out of your ass? Maybe it was the bathroom talk that brought you here but I’ll go ahead and flush your opinion from here on out.

If a kid keeps getting caught and the collective environment is to the point where students feel unsafe or unable to use a bathroom, send them to diversion, second strike misdemeanor, third strike second misdemeanor and expulsion. If adults stood strong kids and enforced consistent standards and consequences, kids would learn quickly. Permissive parenting doesn’t work.

To those complainer teachers are too busy - how did the teachers of yore ever get all their work done before the digital age?

And to the teacher saying I lost her by saying shut the faculty bathrooms down if kids can’t go either, it’s not because I think you’re equals (though teacher professionalism is basically nonexistent snd half of them dress just like the kids and talk like them too), it’s because you are all union employees are you not? And yet instead of actually using your collective power to stand up against the admin you have actively allowed the admin to ruin the schools, instead of standing strong against wave after wave of stupidity you’ve been complicit and go along to get along. You share responsibility for this mess.

Nope

[Anonymous]

There is a solution but likely not the budget ...
vape detectors inside the bathroom + camera on the outside. When the detector goes off, the kids scatter. You don't go after that group initially but if it happens multiple times with the same face(s) appearing, you have your likely culprits. Enough to call the parents I would say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a solution but likely not the budget ...
vape detectors inside the bathroom + camera on the outside. When the detector goes off, the kids scatter. You don't go after that group initially but if it happens multiple times with the same face(s) appearing, you have your likely culprits. Enough to call the parents I would say.

Every school I know of that had vape detectors had them destroyed within the first week.

FCPS does have cameras outside every bathroom though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a solution but likely not the budget ...
vape detectors inside the bathroom + camera on the outside. When the detector goes off, the kids scatter. You don't go after that group initially but if it happens multiple times with the same face(s) appearing, you have your likely culprits. Enough to call the parents I would say.

Bad news, the parents don’t care.

[Anonymous]

At my kids school they closed the bathrooms where kids were vaping. So now there are fewer bathrooms so if you want to go you have to walk further in order to go but there aren’t kids vaping in the bathroom anymore. They also have a zero tolerance policy for vaping. You get caught and you’re thrown out.

Obviously a private school. But you all live in FFx so you already know that you get what you pay/vote for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a solution but likely not the budget ...
vape detectors inside the bathroom + camera on the outside. When the detector goes off, the kids scatter. You don't go after that group initially but if it happens multiple times with the same face(s) appearing, you have your likely culprits. Enough to call the parents I would say.

Bad news, the parents don’t care.

You're half right. The parents don't care about vaping or wandering the hallways and being disruptive but they certainly care when they get called and told they must pick up their child immediately. That's the solution few administrators are willing to offer because it's work for them and counts as OSS and shows as a discipline referral. Good administrators do it willingly because they know it serves as a warning to anyone else who is misbehaving and makes staff feel supported. Bad administrators twiddle their thumbs and collect a check and hope there's not an overdose or bad fight that leads to a weapons offense. 1-2 times of inconveniencing a parent or emergency contact in the middle of the day typically solves the problem.

[Anonymous]

Is this a big problem both for girls and boys bathrooms? How ridiculous and sad. Anyone know if this is an issue at Marshall High.

[Anonymous]

My son who goes to Westfield hates it - he refuses to use the restroom while at school. It's one of the reasons he's moving to Skyview next year.

[Anonymous]

Smoking in the bathroom. Generations have done it. Generations of kids have had to avoid (who they think are) the tough crowd. Tell them not to make eye contact, get in and get out. No reason to be intimidated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son who goes to Westfield hates it - he refuses to use the restroom while at school. It's one of the reasons he's moving to Skyview next year.

They’re gonna vape at Skyview too. Every school has this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The person who thinks SROs have the ability to CHARGE kids with anything, let alone criminal charges for possessing a vape, is not even knowledgeable enough to have this convo. Cops do not charge anyone with anything, first of all. District attorneys do that. Do they mean write a citation? Maybe but again SROs are not in schools to actively police the kids , they are there to respond to true security issues or weapons violence. And owning a vape is not a civil nor criminal infraction, it’s a violation of school policies. SROs are not employees of FCPS. They cannot enforce FCPS disciplinary policies.

It’s a class 4 misdemeanor aka a crime to possess a nicotine or marijuana product intended for smoking including vaping or even rolling papers under 21. Also we have commonwealth attorneys, not district attorneys. Can you please not join a “convo” and tell everyone else how theyre too dumb to understand when you’re the only one talking out of your ass? Maybe it was the bathroom talk that brought you here but I’ll go ahead and flush your opinion from here on out.

If a kid keeps getting caught and the collective environment is to the point where students feel unsafe or unable to use a bathroom, send them to diversion, second strike misdemeanor, third strike second misdemeanor and expulsion. If adults stood strong kids and enforced consistent standards and consequences, kids would learn quickly. Permissive parenting doesn’t work.

To those complainer teachers are too busy - how did the teachers of yore ever get all their work done before the digital age?

And to the teacher saying I lost her by saying shut the faculty bathrooms down if kids can’t go either, it’s not because I think you’re equals (though teacher professionalism is basically nonexistent snd half of them dress just like the kids and talk like them too), it’s because you are all union employees are you not? And yet instead of actually using your collective power to stand up against the admin you have actively allowed the admin to ruin the schools, instead of standing strong against wave after wave of stupidity you’ve been complicit and go along to get along. You share responsibility for this mess.

You seem fun.