Tryout player vs game player

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Anonymous wrote:I assume my DS is an anomaly but wondered if other folks have seen this. I have a 11 year old that absolutely loved the game. He plays for a large academy and practices everyday either alone or with his team. A few years ago, he was in the 5th team of the academy but rose the ranks progressively and is now a starter in the 2nd team. It usually takes him 2 games with any new coach to convince him that he should start every game.
However, whenever my son goes to a tryout with a different academy, he will not get any offers (even for their lowest team with kids that started playing last year).
I assume that the reason is that he is not as fluid as other players that were born with god given ability, but he more than makes up for it with his work rate and consistency.
I wonder if other families have experienced this themselves.

I do think tryouts are often structured to favor attackers.

But what defensive position does he play? Is he a RB perchance?

DP but curious why you ask? Is there something about the RB position that makes it harder to stand out at tryouts?

My view is that most coaches think they can make a really good RB out of a skilled player at other positions so they don’t worry about getting that position slotted in their team. They’re going to be needing a good CAM, a good goalie, a couple good CBs, a strong goal scorer, and then left footed LBs are hard to come by - but they don’t particularly care if the RB in their starting XI has gotten used to the position yet. So I think if you go into a tryout they are comparing you to the entire midfield and it’s a harder sell. Just a personal view that it’s a tough position to try out as.

I think this is right. Good wingers often make strong defenders because they have speed, skill, and the ability to attack when it’s time to overload and create numerical advantages. Combined with raw athleticism, this creates what coaches view as a “high ceiling,” especially since 11-year-olds are still at the very early stages of their soccer development. But I think everyone sort of understands that these predictions are a crap shoot. That said, hard-working, committed players will eventually be recognized.

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Anonymous wrote:No, tackle football is for the most athletic kids. Mediocre athletes can do ok in soccer if they work hard.

Haha this is amazingly silly. I grew up playing football and my kid plays soccer. Soccer is a much tougher sport athletically and physically more demanding.

Hockey has the toughest athletic requirements and great athletes

Sure they do. They are also the smartest and the best guys with the highest character, right? This reminds me of a time when someone tried to convince me that the most athletic football players were the kickers. Smh.

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Anonymous wrote:No, tackle football is for the most athletic kids. Mediocre athletes can do ok in soccer if they work hard.

Haha this is amazingly silly. I grew up playing football and my kid plays soccer. Soccer is a much tougher sport athletically and physically more demanding.

Hockey has the toughest athletic requirements and great athletes

Sure they do. They are also the smartest and the best guys with the highest character, right? This reminds me of a time when someone tried to convince me that the most athletic football players were the kickers. Smh.

Thanks for agreeing.

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Anonymous wrote:No, tackle football is for the most athletic kids. Mediocre athletes can do ok in soccer if they work hard.

Haha this is amazingly silly. I grew up playing football and my kid plays soccer. Soccer is a much tougher sport athletically and physically more demanding.

Hockey has the toughest athletic requirements and great athletes

Sure they do. They are also the smartest and the best guys with the highest character, right? This reminds me of a time when someone tried to convince me that the most athletic football players were the kickers. Smh.

Thanks for agreeing.

The lies we tell ourselves to make us feel better. Is this particular lie therapeutic for you?

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Anonymous wrote:No, tackle football is for the most athletic kids. Mediocre athletes can do ok in soccer if they work hard.

Haha this is amazingly silly. I grew up playing football and my kid plays soccer. Soccer is a much tougher sport athletically and physically more demanding.

Hockey has the toughest athletic requirements and great athletes

Go to a track meet at the sports and learning center in Maryland this spring and then tell me the best athletes in this or any area in the United States play hockey. Please stop.

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Anonymous wrote:No, tackle football is for the most athletic kids. Mediocre athletes can do ok in soccer if they work hard.

Haha this is amazingly silly. I grew up playing football and my kid plays soccer. Soccer is a much tougher sport athletically and physically more demanding.

Hockey has the toughest athletic requirements and great athletes

How much jumping is done in hockey?

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Anonymous wrote:No, tackle football is for the most athletic kids. Mediocre athletes can do ok in soccer if they work hard.

Haha this is amazingly silly. I grew up playing football and my kid plays soccer. Soccer is a much tougher sport athletically and physically more demanding.

Hockey has the toughest athletic requirements and great athletes

How much jumping is done in hockey?

Right. And how many athletes play hockey, which in America is a sport that excludes so many athletes because of the cost and access to ice time?

When you play in the English premier league, for example, you can look at the guys and know these are among the best athletes in the world, in part, because of how they look but also because logically you know how many hundreds of millions of people play soccer all over the globe. Hockey is a niche sport (except in Canada, which is not some athletic powerhouse) which is fine but anyone that's been around college and professional hockey players knows they are NOT the best athletes in the world. And that's not a dis, it's just observably obvious to everyone except delusional hockey moms/dads freezing their arses off 2 to 3 times per week.

Similarly, when you talk about elite athletes that have come out of the DMV, it is absurd to claim hockey players from this area are anything like those men and women that have achieved athletic feats at the highest level.

Kevin Durant is an elite athlete. Quincy Wilson is an elite athlete. A teenage Olympian. Reed Wellington IV who goes to Potomac/Flint Hill and works out with a trainer over at the St. James is not. He's just a regular dude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume my DS is an anomaly but wondered if other folks have seen this. I have a 11 year old that absolutely loved the game. He plays for a large academy and practices everyday either alone or with his team. A few years ago, he was in the 5th team of the academy but rose the ranks progressively and is now a starter in the 2nd team. It usually takes him 2 games with any new coach to convince him that he should start every game.
However, whenever my son goes to a tryout with a different academy, he will not get any offers (even for their lowest team with kids that started playing last year).
I assume that the reason is that he is not as fluid as other players that were born with god given ability, but he more than makes up for it with his work rate and consistency.
I wonder if other families have experienced this themselves.

To be clear, there is only one academy in the DMV…that is DCU and they don’t have a 5th team (even though they might play like it sometimes). Stop calling clubs academies just because they label something “academy”. You should look up the difference yourself so you stop sounding like a dope.

Semantics of language. Nobody cares about this point and it adds nothing to the discussion.

No....it isn't semantics. Its clubs duping parents cause they are too stupid/lazy to learn for themselves and/or parents thinking their little baby is much better than they really are. You aren't an academy kid...you will know those when you see them.

[Anonymous]

Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

A good coach will always notice the high IQ player
If you have a high IQ player, don't take them to run & gun bootball team

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

A good coach will always notice the high IQ player
If you have a high IQ player, don't take them to run & gun bootball team

That sounds great in theory but fails spectacularly at any sort of open tryouts. There's no way the high IQ player would even be seen. Sucks, but that's how it actually plays out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

A good coach will always notice the high IQ player
If you have a high IQ player, don't take them to run & gun bootball team

That sounds great in theory but fails spectacularly at any sort of open tryouts. There's no way the high IQ player would even be seen. Sucks, but that's how it actually plays out.

Your judgment is based on your level of knowledge and experience
Not that of knowledgeable experienced coaches who actually know what a high IQ player looks like

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

A good coach will always notice the high IQ player
If you have a high IQ player, don't take them to run & gun bootball team

That sounds great in theory but fails spectacularly at any sort of open tryouts. There's no way the high IQ player would even be seen. Sucks, but that's how it actually plays out.

Your judgment is based on your level of knowledge and experience
Not that of knowledgeable experienced coaches who actually know what a high IQ player looks like

I'm giving you real world experience from who the coaches actually select.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

A good coach will always notice the high IQ player
If you have a high IQ player, don't take them to run & gun bootball team

That sounds great in theory but fails spectacularly at any sort of open tryouts. There's no way the high IQ player would even be seen. Sucks, but that's how it actually plays out.

Your judgment is based on your level of knowledge and experience
Not that of knowledgeable experienced coaches who actually know what a high IQ player looks like

I'm giving you real world experience from who the coaches actually select.

Experience doesn't equal knowledge
You're just giving an opinion view from your lens

So no players with high IQ are on teams in the DMV?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coaches want simple plays in games, but ball hogs in tryouts. They look at what club you are currently at, how loud are you, how your ball skills are. Kids that play simple and have high IQ don't always show, which is why sending game film is critical. Not highlights, send a full half of game to the coach.

A good coach will always notice the high IQ player
If you have a high IQ player, don't take them to run & gun bootball team

That sounds great in theory but fails spectacularly at any sort of open tryouts. There's no way the high IQ player would even be seen. Sucks, but that's how it actually plays out.

Your judgment is based on your level of knowledge and experience
Not that of knowledgeable experienced coaches who actually know what a high IQ player looks like

I'm giving you real world experience from who the coaches actually select.

Experience doesn't equal knowledge
You're just giving an opinion view from your lens

So no players with high IQ are on teams in the DMV?

If they are, it's because they're first and foremost big/strong. That's not the #1 priority at all.