Is VT non-engineering a tougher admit than JMU from Fairfax County?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why this isn't a simple answer? OP- yes, it is absolutely harder to get into Virginia Tech than it is to get into JMU. My kids went to a public school in LCPS- and JMU was the fallback to Tech. (Both great schools, but in order of difficulty in getting in, it was definitely: UVA, William and Mary, Tech, and JMU. (Minus the Tech Engineering applicants)

I don't think our FCPS HS is so clear-cut. It's generally UVA at the top, but I know a few students who chose W&M over UVA. And I know quite a few students who chose VT over W&M. I agree that JMU is the fallback among the rest, though students love JMU when they end up there.

Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

Same at ours. Students are liking the vibe at VT over UVA and W&M. Not sure why, but it’s true.

DP. I think it’s pretty evident why. It’s a school that has it all, to include smart, well-rounded students, excellent academics (not just STEM - their liberal arts college is fantastic too), a wide variety of activities and clubs, a beautiful campus and surrounding area, and fun social life.

The in-state yield rate for VT is 45%; the in-state yield rate for UVA is 60%.

True, but I think a shift is starting to occur. Current high school students are looking for quality of life because they know the future is uncertain even for those who pushed themselves so hard with AP’s, extracurriculars, etc. At some point, kids get burned out and want to enjoy life while also getting a good education.

The data from Ivywise does not support the above statement. The past three years (this year not available yet) show a bigger drop in yield rate from VT compared to W&M and UVA.

With the Common App and application fee waivers, students apply to schools with the click of a button just for the heck of it with no real desire to attend. Yield data now means nothing.

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This is very true. But the PP is posting false information anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why this isn't a simple answer? OP- yes, it is absolutely harder to get into Virginia Tech than it is to get into JMU. My kids went to a public school in LCPS- and JMU was the fallback to Tech. (Both great schools, but in order of difficulty in getting in, it was definitely: UVA, William and Mary, Tech, and JMU. (Minus the Tech Engineering applicants)

I don't think our FCPS HS is so clear-cut. It's generally UVA at the top, but I know a few students who chose W&M over UVA. And I know quite a few students who chose VT over W&M. I agree that JMU is the fallback among the rest, though students love JMU when they end up there.

Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

Same at ours. Students are liking the vibe at VT over UVA and W&M. Not sure why, but it’s true.

DP. I think it’s pretty evident why. It’s a school that has it all, to include smart, well-rounded students, excellent academics (not just STEM - their liberal arts college is fantastic too), a wide variety of activities and clubs, a beautiful campus and surrounding area, and fun social life.

The in-state yield rate for VT is 45%; the in-state yield rate for UVA is 60%.

True, but I think a shift is starting to occur. Current high school students are looking for quality of life because they know the future is uncertain even for those who pushed themselves so hard with AP’s, extracurriculars, etc. At some point, kids get burned out and want to enjoy life while also getting a good education.

The data from Ivywise does not support the above statement. The past three years (this year not available yet) show a bigger drop in yield rate from VT compared to W&M and UVA.

When you make claims, citations would be appreciated. I went to Ivy Wise and your "information" is flat out false. VT's yield rate has increased, not decreased over the past three years. It's on the same par as W&M.

VT yield rates:
22.63% 25.35% 26.73%

W&M yield rates:
26.24% 26.62% 28.20%

You got it backward. It has decreased. LOL LOL LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why this isn't a simple answer? OP- yes, it is absolutely harder to get into Virginia Tech than it is to get into JMU. My kids went to a public school in LCPS- and JMU was the fallback to Tech. (Both great schools, but in order of difficulty in getting in, it was definitely: UVA, William and Mary, Tech, and JMU. (Minus the Tech Engineering applicants)

I don't think our FCPS HS is so clear-cut. It's generally UVA at the top, but I know a few students who chose W&M over UVA. And I know quite a few students who chose VT over W&M. I agree that JMU is the fallback among the rest, though students love JMU when they end up there.

Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

Same at ours. Students are liking the vibe at VT over UVA and W&M. Not sure why, but it’s true.

DP. I think it’s pretty evident why. It’s a school that has it all, to include smart, well-rounded students, excellent academics (not just STEM - their liberal arts college is fantastic too), a wide variety of activities and clubs, a beautiful campus and surrounding area, and fun social life.

The in-state yield rate for VT is 45%; the in-state yield rate for UVA is 60%.

True, but I think a shift is starting to occur. Current high school students are looking for quality of life because they know the future is uncertain even for those who pushed themselves so hard with AP’s, extracurriculars, etc. At some point, kids get burned out and want to enjoy life while also getting a good education.

The data from Ivywise does not support the above statement. The past three years (this year not available yet) show a bigger drop in yield rate from VT compared to W&M and UVA.

With the Common App and application fee waivers, students apply to schools with the click of a button just for the heck of it with no real desire to attend. Yield data now means nothing.

It is impossible to apply "with the click of a button," especially for a school like VT that requires supplemental essays.

Wrong. Many schools don’t require much (if anything) beyond the Common App. Tech does require separate essays but it’s really not difficult and many kids apply just to see if they’ll get in for bragging rights. Nowadays yield rate numbers are garbage statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why this isn't a simple answer? OP- yes, it is absolutely harder to get into Virginia Tech than it is to get into JMU. My kids went to a public school in LCPS- and JMU was the fallback to Tech. (Both great schools, but in order of difficulty in getting in, it was definitely: UVA, William and Mary, Tech, and JMU. (Minus the Tech Engineering applicants)

I don't think our FCPS HS is so clear-cut. It's generally UVA at the top, but I know a few students who chose W&M over UVA. And I know quite a few students who chose VT over W&M. I agree that JMU is the fallback among the rest, though students love JMU when they end up there.

Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

Same at ours. Students are liking the vibe at VT over UVA and W&M. Not sure why, but it’s true.

DP. I think it’s pretty evident why. It’s a school that has it all, to include smart, well-rounded students, excellent academics (not just STEM - their liberal arts college is fantastic too), a wide variety of activities and clubs, a beautiful campus and surrounding area, and fun social life.

The in-state yield rate for VT is 45%; the in-state yield rate for UVA is 60%.

True, but I think a shift is starting to occur. Current high school students are looking for quality of life because they know the future is uncertain even for those who pushed themselves so hard with AP’s, extracurriculars, etc. At some point, kids get burned out and want to enjoy life while also getting a good education.

The data from Ivywise does not support the above statement. The past three years (this year not available yet) show a bigger drop in yield rate from VT compared to W&M and UVA.

With the Common App and application fee waivers, students apply to schools with the click of a button just for the heck of it with no real desire to attend. Yield data now means nothing.

It is impossible to apply "with the click of a button," especially for a school like VT that requires supplemental essays.

Wrong. Many schools don’t require much (if anything) beyond the Common App. Tech does require separate essays but it’s really not difficult and many kids apply just to see if they’ll get in for bragging rights. Nowadays yield rate numbers are garbage statistics.

Do you know what yield rate is?

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

Common sense right here.

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

Common sense right here.

I have kids in a NOVA public school and have *never* heard UVA being talked about as if it's the "prize admission." It's just another school. And here in VA, we're lucky to have so many excellent ones.

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

Common sense right here.

I have kids in a NOVA public school and have *never* heard UVA being talked about as if it's the "prize admission." It's just another school. And here in VA, we're lucky to have so many excellent ones.

Why argue over semantics when you have statistics?
Parchment shows that out of 100 students accepted to both VT and UVA, 69 went to UVA and 31 to VT.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Virginia+Tech&with=University+of+Virginia

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

Common sense right here.

I have kids in a NOVA public school and have *never* heard UVA being talked about as if it's the "prize admission." It's just another school. And here in VA, we're lucky to have so many excellent ones.

Why argue over semantics when you have statistics?
Parchment shows that out of 100 students accepted to both VT and UVA, 69 went to UVA and 31 to VT.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Virginia+Tech&with=University+of+Virginia


seems like you are the one arguing over semantics while making the same point.

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

Common sense right here.

I have kids in a NOVA public school and have *never* heard UVA being talked about as if it's the "prize admission." It's just another school. And here in VA, we're lucky to have so many excellent ones.

Why argue over semantics when you have statistics?
Parchment shows that out of 100 students accepted to both VT and UVA, 69 went to UVA and 31 to VT.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Virginia+Tech&with=University+of+Virginia

seems like you are the one arguing over semantics while making the same point.


I made no reference to "prize admission" or "holy grail" in the above statement. Any reference to them was by someone else. I think you need to read it again to fully comprehend.

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The true Holy Grail was usually Ivy+ when I was in HS, not UVA.

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Lots of students at our high school choose VT over both UVA and W&M.

I think W&M maybe has its own appeal set of the three, so it is different, but I don't think it is a trend (outside of engineering) to select VT over UVA. Maybe my kids' HS is different, but for most NOVA public school students- UVA is the prize admission.

(And I say this with kids who attended W&M and VT)

I would say the same is true about JMU and VT. Most students pick VT over JMU if admitted to both.

Common sense right here.

I have kids in a NOVA public school and have *never* heard UVA being talked about as if it's the "prize admission." It's just another school. And here in VA, we're lucky to have so many excellent ones.

Why argue over semantics when you have statistics?
Parchment shows that out of 100 students accepted to both VT and UVA, 69 went to UVA and 31 to VT.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Virginia+Tech&with=University+of+Virginia


Here’s a good one for you to take a look at:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=University+of+Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:The true Holy Grail was usually Ivy+ when I was in HS, not UVA.

Still is.
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Harvard+University&with=University+of+Virginia

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So Google tells me that JMU's admit rate is about 72%. Using the institutional data from VT, here are some examples of their admit rates by major:
- English 75.1%
- Meteorology 82.9%
- Psychology 44.1%
- Mathematics 81.9%
- Political Science 47.9%
- Russian Language 80.0%
- Marketing 50.3%
- Crop and Soil Sciences 92.6%

So, yes, VT is sometimes a tougher admit than JMU. And, yes, VT is sometimes an easier admit than JMU.

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Anonymous wrote:So Google tells me that JMU's admit rate is about 72%. Using the institutional data from VT, here are some examples of their admit rates by major:
- English 75.1%
- Meteorology 82.9%
- Psychology 44.1%
- Mathematics 81.9%
- Political Science 47.9%
- Russian Language 80.0%
- Marketing 50.3%
- Crop and Soil Sciences 92.6%

So, yes, VT is sometimes a tougher admit than JMU. And, yes, VT is sometimes an easier admit than JMU.

Raw admit rates are only part of the equation. You have to know the qualifications (e.g., test scores, GPA) of the applicants for a more complete picture. A higher admit rate can reflect a higher academic caliber of students applying while a low admit rate can reflect lots of under qualified students applying.