"Development" - A Scam

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Anonymous wrote:The scam is that too many parents think their kid is special, and the only thing holding them back from greatness is the magic “development” pixie dust that clubs are happy to provide.

This! Too many parents think their DD or DS is special when they aren’t. So much of athletic success depends on genetics.

Sounds like you're jealous of some kid on your kid's team

Hard work and the right work will always beat genetics and talent alone

So wrong!

In soccer this actually happens quite a bit

[Anonymous]

This whole thing has been a cute little advertisement for outside trainers and trainer services. Well played, OP!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The scam is that too many parents think their kid is special, and the only thing holding them back from greatness is the magic “development” pixie dust that clubs are happy to provide.

This! Too many parents think their DD or DS is special when they aren’t. So much of athletic success depends on genetics.

Sounds like you're jealous of some kid on your kid's team

Hard work and the right work will always beat genetics and talent alone

So wrong!

What's the wrong part?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Darn, your kid that bad. Speaking for yourself I see

No clown. My son has developed very nicely outside of the club environment. I don't expect anything in development out of clubs because I have a brain.

If no club is a part of development, then Ajax, Arsenal, Barcelona, Benfica etc should close their academies

OPhere…do you think I mean Barcelona when I say “club”? Professional academies are not part of this conversation. I’m talking about pay to play clubs. Did you think I’m asking a general question to DCUM on the state of development at La Masia? This has to be a joke comment right?

Blame your original question for not being formulated in proper context

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Sure. Philly Union Academy is the same at DCU. Barcelona Academy is the same as Villareal. Got it. No difference. All of the Philly Union and Barcelona results are because the kids were playing alot more pickup. Let me go signup for the closest club to me. Thanks for the advice.

This takes the cake as the dumbest response. Couple quick ones...the kids at those academies in Spain have played TONS of pickup in the streets and at school. Still that isn't the point. The point is these clubs are not academies so stop thinking they are and developing kids. Go take a nap. The kids that get to those academies have been developed outside of the club environment.

If you're in the top academies in Europe, like Barcelona for example, and you're U8 or U9, you're not playing tons of pickup street ball for as long as you're there.

This is literally the opposite of so many stories that the pros tell about their lives. Outside of the US, kids play all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Darn, your kid that bad. Speaking for yourself I see

No clown. My son has developed very nicely outside of the club environment. I don't expect anything in development out of clubs because I have a brain.

If no club is a part of development, then Ajax, Arsenal, Barcelona, Benfica etc should close their academies

OPhere…do you think I mean Barcelona when I say “club”? Professional academies are not part of this conversation. I’m talking about pay to play clubs. Did you think I’m asking a general question to DCUM on the state of development at La Masia? This has to be a joke comment right?

All pay to play clubs are not the same because coaches and management are different

There are p2p clubs in the DC area with quality youth coaches who will do a much better job with your kid than only playing pickup

I don’t think anyone is arguing for just playing pickup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This whole thing has been a cute little advertisement for outside trainers and trainer services. Well played, OP!

Work for a club? Hahaha

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Sure. Philly Union Academy is the same at DCU. Barcelona Academy is the same as Villareal. Got it. No difference. All of the Philly Union and Barcelona results are because the kids were playing alot more pickup. Let me go signup for the closest club to me. Thanks for the advice.

This takes the cake as the dumbest response. Couple quick ones...the kids at those academies in Spain have played TONS of pickup in the streets and at school. Still that isn't the point. The point is these clubs are not academies so stop thinking they are and developing kids. Go take a nap. The kids that get to those academies have been developed outside of the club environment.

If you're in the top academies in Europe, like Barcelona for example, and you're U8 or U9, you're not playing tons of pickup street ball for as long as you're there.

This is literally the opposite of so many stories that the pros tell about their lives. Outside of the US, kids play all the time.

As they walked barefoot uphill both ways for 15 kilometers to training?

You're not at Real Madrid academy at U13 and playing a lot of pickup ball.
It's not even allowed for one and two, where is the free time?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Darn, your kid that bad. Speaking for yourself I see

No clown. My son has developed very nicely outside of the club environment. I don't expect anything in development out of clubs because I have a brain.

If no club is a part of development, then Ajax, Arsenal, Barcelona, Benfica etc should close their academies

OPhere…do you think I mean Barcelona when I say “club”? Professional academies are not part of this conversation. I’m talking about pay to play clubs. Did you think I’m asking a general question to DCUM on the state of development at La Masia? This has to be a joke comment right?

All pay to play clubs are not the same because coaches and management are different

There are p2p clubs in the DC area with quality youth coaches who will do a much better job with your kid than only playing pickup

I don’t think anyone is arguing for just playing pickup.

It was literally said

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is happening at practice 3-4 days a week and at games if not "development" ?

I agree, practicing with a team for 6 hours a week - if your child is not developing then something is wrong. There should be development happening, speed of play, 1v1, tactical, etc.

If your child wants to be a standout on a top team, consider adding another 2-4 hours of individual technical skill, strength and fitness.

Of course there are exceptions, early bloomers whose athletic traits compensate for a lack of technical skill or dedication. But the majority of these players are reeled back in to the pack.

This is why people don't have honest conversations about serious development because the amount of work a high-level baller puts in does not appear reasonable and appears obsessive. A highly motivated kid will replace all of your standard Roblox, video game and doom scrolling time with touches and still maintaining pristine grades. The result is an extra 1-3 hours EVERY day on top of team training. That not factoring in informal small sided games after school or organized on the weekends and organically. Team training should be focused on high-level development, not "scrimmaging" against the best of the best. Fitness, ball mastery and small-sided free play should all take place outside of team training.

We have a player like that on our team. The amount of extra work done to be a "high level baller" is at the top end of your spectrum... Still probably the slowest, least athletic player on the team but can juggle in the thousands!

Slow and unathletic like Busquets, what a loser!

Is that your pitch to the parents to buy your training package? Anyone can do it just look at Busquets! You don't need to be athletic, just book 50 sessions with me this year and you'll be the BEST!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Darn, your kid that bad. Speaking for yourself I see

No clown. My son has developed very nicely outside of the club environment. I don't expect anything in development out of clubs because I have a brain.

If no club is a part of development, then Ajax, Arsenal, Barcelona, Benfica etc should close their academies

OPhere…do you think I mean Barcelona when I say “club”? Professional academies are not part of this conversation. I’m talking about pay to play clubs. Did you think I’m asking a general question to DCUM on the state of development at La Masia? This has to be a joke comment right?

All pay to play clubs are not the same because coaches and management are different

There are p2p clubs in the DC area with quality youth coaches who will do a much better job with your kid than only playing pickup

I don’t think anyone is arguing for just playing pickup.

It was literally said

It was not literally said that you should only play pickup. You are literally making things up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Sure. Philly Union Academy is the same at DCU. Barcelona Academy is the same as Villareal. Got it. No difference. All of the Philly Union and Barcelona results are because the kids were playing alot more pickup. Let me go signup for the closest club to me. Thanks for the advice.

This takes the cake as the dumbest response. Couple quick ones...the kids at those academies in Spain have played TONS of pickup in the streets and at school. Still that isn't the point. The point is these clubs are not academies so stop thinking they are and developing kids. Go take a nap. The kids that get to those academies have been developed outside of the club environment.

If you're in the top academies in Europe, like Barcelona for example, and you're U8 or U9, you're not playing tons of pickup street ball for as long as you're there.

This is literally the opposite of so many stories that the pros tell about their lives. Outside of the US, kids play all the time.

As they walked barefoot uphill both ways for 15 kilometers to training?

You're not at Real Madrid academy at U13 and playing a lot of pickup ball.
It's not even allowed for one and two, where is the free time?

Ugh…you don’t know that much about academies apparently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Sure. Philly Union Academy is the same at DCU. Barcelona Academy is the same as Villareal. Got it. No difference. All of the Philly Union and Barcelona results are because the kids were playing alot more pickup. Let me go signup for the closest club to me. Thanks for the advice.

This takes the cake as the dumbest response. Couple quick ones...the kids at those academies in Spain have played TONS of pickup in the streets and at school. Still that isn't the point. The point is these clubs are not academies so stop thinking they are and developing kids. Go take a nap. The kids that get to those academies have been developed outside of the club environment.

If you're in the top academies in Europe, like Barcelona for example, and you're U8 or U9, you're not playing tons of pickup street ball for as long as you're there.

This is literally the opposite of so many stories that the pros tell about their lives. Outside of the US, kids play all the time.

As they walked barefoot uphill both ways for 15 kilometers to training?

You're not at Real Madrid academy at U13 and playing a lot of pickup ball.
It's not even allowed for one and two, where is the free time?

Ugh…you don’t know that much about academies apparently.

😁

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many of you are getting scammed by claimed or perceived "development" at clubs. How much development do you think is happening during 3 training sessions a week and a workout? With 20+ kids to care about? Maybe a little bit of film study? How many clubs have more than one coach per team? How many coaches have more than one team! Think about it and wake up...development happens outside of clubs.

For those who are serious believers in their club's "development" (you are the perfect customer!), what are some examples of your player developing strictly because of your club?

Kids get more development playing pickup soccer than most of these clubs.

Sure. Philly Union Academy is the same at DCU. Barcelona Academy is the same as Villareal. Got it. No difference. All of the Philly Union and Barcelona results are because the kids were playing alot more pickup. Let me go signup for the closest club to me. Thanks for the advice.

Barcelona is sending a constant consistent steady stream of players to the top division clubs in top leagues and to top national teams.
Why are you comparing any MLS academy to them?

I am actually shocked at the inability to comprehend on this board. I compared one MLS system to another MLS system. I compared one La Liga system to another La Liga system. P2P is no different. The system of a P2P club like XXX matters in comparison to the system of a P2P clubs like YYY. There are certain DMV clubs that consistently outproduce other clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, what a great Rage Bait post! Before you get the sheep all stirred up, can you define what 'development' means to you?

Not OP, but as a coach from Europe this is my take (in short):

Training > Games (in early years)
Technique > Tactics (before puberty)
Intelligence > Physicality
Long-term planning > Weekend results
Access > Economics
Coaching education > Marketing

Growth and development in soccer are not about producing winning youth teams. They are about producing adaptable, intelligent, technically superior adults. If the system rewards short-term visibility, trophies, and physical dominance, it will produce good youth teams. If the system rewards patience, mastery, and intelligence, it will produce professionals. That is the difference.