IMYS Guy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see IMYS guy on twitter and IG is back in full ECNL mode. Last year he seemed to start to not be so blatantly ECNL, but he's back in full ECNL this spring. He is going away from full D1 for 2027 and now only focusing on P4 D1 (as it makes the ECNL argument easier). Regardless, even using 2026 data that 1816 players committed to D1, almost 50% of the commits come from 45 total clubs (ENCL and GA, obviously ENCL is leading).

The entire notion is ECNL gets you to D1 - but it's truly a bunch of clubs that do. The top 80 clubs (all leagues) in the country account for 1186 of the 1816 commits.

The class of 2027 would be a step up in total D1 commits for GA (thus the reason IMYS is only doing P4 for 2027) and it would grow by every class. ECNL will be still be the best overall as they have the big, big clubs. But the fake unbiased opinion of IMYS is an old shtick at this point.

Where do I see the top
80 clubs according to this ranking???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like his account is still active/live.

Not on instagram. He also took down the graphic you are seeing a few posts up on this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

I agree with this. Its just something for people to fight and argue about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

While the bolded part is true to some extent, it's about a 4:1 ratio in favor of ECNL when it comes to high end college soccer placements, across a pool of relatively same number of teams (within GA vs. ECNL). That ratio may change over time for sure, no one can predict the future. Just pick the spot for your kid that's the right fit, and let them enjoy the ride along the way. The college recruiting process will be more stressful than you think it will be, regardless of the league you're in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

While the bolded part is true to some extent, it's about a 4:1 ratio in favor of ECNL when it comes to high end college soccer placements, across a pool of relatively same number of teams (within GA vs. ECNL). That ratio may change over time for sure, no one can predict the future. Just pick the spot for your kid that's the right fit, and let them enjoy the ride along the way. The college recruiting process will be more stressful than you think it will be, regardless of the league you're in.

Its not "ECNL" its a few clubs that dominate in ECNL that place players consistently. GA is the same way.

If imsoccerdork wanted to represent data objectively he'd show the clubs placing players without any league affiliation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Looks like his account is still active/live.

Not on instagram. He also took down the graphic you are seeing a few posts up on this thread.

Nope, still there ... https://www.instagram.com/p/DVoYmO9jfWp/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

While the bolded part is true to some extent, it's about a 4:1 ratio in favor of ECNL when it comes to high end college soccer placements, across a pool of relatively same number of teams (within GA vs. ECNL). That ratio may change over time for sure, no one can predict the future. Just pick the spot for your kid that's the right fit, and let them enjoy the ride along the way. The college recruiting process will be more stressful than you think it will be, regardless of the league you're in.

This is where people don’t understand what the data means. 4:1 placement ratio does NOT mean your daughter has a 4 times better chance of playing D1 simply by being in ECNL. That’s obviously what this IMYS guy and ECNL coaches want to sell you. But it’s not how it works. It’s funny how many idiot parents I hear quoting this number on the sidelines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

While the bolded part is true to some extent, it's about a 4:1 ratio in favor of ECNL when it comes to high end college soccer placements, across a pool of relatively same number of teams (within GA vs. ECNL). That ratio may change over time for sure, no one can predict the future. Just pick the spot for your kid that's the right fit, and let them enjoy the ride along the way. The college recruiting process will be more stressful than you think it will be, regardless of the league you're in.

This is where people don’t understand what the data means. 4:1 placement ratio does NOT mean your daughter has a 4 times better chance of playing D1 simply by being in ECNL. That’s obviously what this IMYS guy and ECNL coaches want to sell you. But it’s not how it works. It’s funny how many idiot parents I hear quoting this number on the sidelines.

What's not funny is how the competition starts to separate as kids get older. GA is fine, but it's definitely Tier 2 (and yes this includes the "dominant" GA clubs. It's ultimately a pissing contest unless your kid is actually top tier and in that case it really doesn't matter which league they're in.

[Anonymous]

Maybe IMYS Guy is focusing too much on showcases ... Look what's happening in Michigan, for example, more at a regional level ... This is a MI Jaguars coach (GA/MLSN) who recently took a job to start soccer a women's program at Wayne State University (D2) ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-gHw5WdnpmA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe IMYS Guy is focusing too much on showcases ... Look what's happening in Michigan, for example, more at a regional level ... This is a MI Jaguars coach (GA/MLSN) who recently took a job to start soccer a women's program at Wayne State University (D2) ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-gHw5WdnpmA

I listened to the podcast and thought it was pretty interesting. Attendance at a regional showcase seemed to be pretty solid. I know some of the VA clubs have their own showcase events, but they are much smaller scale than what happened in MI. I think events like Jeff Cup though are still drawing coaches to their games and it's a chance for GA/ECNL clubs to play another rather being in their own closed systems. That's part of the draw, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe IMYS Guy is focusing too much on showcases ... Look what's happening in Michigan, for example, more at a regional level ... This is a MI Jaguars coach (GA/MLSN) who recently took a job to start soccer a women's program at Wayne State University (D2) ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-gHw5WdnpmA

I listened to the podcast and thought it was pretty interesting. Attendance at a regional showcase seemed to be pretty solid. I know some of the VA clubs have their own showcase events, but they are much smaller scale than what happened in MI. I think events like Jeff Cup though are still drawing coaches to their games and it's a chance for GA/ECNL clubs to play another rather being in their own closed systems. That's part of the draw, IMO.

Yes, this makes sense. College coaches have only so much bandwidth. Maybe some are reprioritizing away from national showcases (ECNL numbers for coaches aren't what they were it seems as well). It all argues for the return to a more integrated pyramid vs. multiple closed leagues.

Personally, I wish tournaments with champions/competition for something would make more of a comeback beyond the various league national titles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe IMYS Guy is focusing too much on showcases ... Look what's happening in Michigan, for example, more at a regional level ... This is a MI Jaguars coach (GA/MLSN) who recently took a job to start soccer a women's program at Wayne State University (D2) ... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-gHw5WdnpmA

I listened to the podcast and thought it was pretty interesting. Attendance at a regional showcase seemed to be pretty solid. I know some of the VA clubs have their own showcase events, but they are much smaller scale than what happened in MI. I think events like Jeff Cup though are still drawing coaches to their games and it's a chance for GA/ECNL clubs to play another rather being in their own closed systems. That's part of the draw, IMO.

Most of the VA team go to the regional showcases in PA/NJ like PDA and Penn Fusion’s which have good college attendance. This is just one more reason why the ECNL/GA pissing contest makes no sense because there are these regional events where teams from both leagues show up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

While the bolded part is true to some extent, it's about a 4:1 ratio in favor of ECNL when it comes to high end college soccer placements, across a pool of relatively same number of teams (within GA vs. ECNL). That ratio may change over time for sure, no one can predict the future. Just pick the spot for your kid that's the right fit, and let them enjoy the ride along the way. The college recruiting process will be more stressful than you think it will be, regardless of the league you're in.

This is where people don’t understand what the data means. 4:1 placement ratio does NOT mean your daughter has a 4 times better chance of playing D1 simply by being in ECNL. That’s obviously what this IMYS guy and ECNL coaches want to sell you. But it’s not how it works. It’s funny how many idiot parents I hear quoting this number on the sidelines.

Then what does the data mean to you? Serious question - not trying to be snarky. If the number of teams is relatively equal between the two leagues, and the ratio is true, does that mean that there are just four times the talent (concentrated at the top) in ECNL than GA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day, ECNL is still king in girl's soccer right now, in terms of placement to the higher end college programs. Doesn't mean this will always be the case, but it is certainly true today. And no, this doesn't mean any given ECNL team is better than any given GA team. There are plenty of bad teams within both leagues. Where you choose to send your kid should be a local decision (soccer landscape where you live, coaching, training, etc.) for you. You can be recruited from both, depending on the coach/team to some extent, and the player to the most extent. The endless fight over which league is "better" is exhausting.

The problem with the statement "better" is its not true. There is a small number of clubs in all leagues that consistently win and place players in college. They are the same clubs every year and it wouldnt matter which league they played in. This is why people make fun of ECNL hats. If your kid isnt playing at one of the clubs that win youre a crash test dummy.

While the bolded part is true to some extent, it's about a 4:1 ratio in favor of ECNL when it comes to high end college soccer placements, across a pool of relatively same number of teams (within GA vs. ECNL). That ratio may change over time for sure, no one can predict the future. Just pick the spot for your kid that's the right fit, and let them enjoy the ride along the way. The college recruiting process will be more stressful than you think it will be, regardless of the league you're in.

This is where people don’t understand what the data means. 4:1 placement ratio does NOT mean your daughter has a 4 times better chance of playing D1 simply by being in ECNL. That’s obviously what this IMYS guy and ECNL coaches want to sell you. But it’s not how it works. It’s funny how many idiot parents I hear quoting this number on the sidelines.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DUdvVHQFR9N/

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVENZLfjSv7/?img_index=1

You can try and stand up for what GA might become down the line, but right now the numbers don't lie. Exposure is greater at ECNL. Good players in both leagues will get noticed.