Uva president Scott Beardsley’s sketchy “doctorate”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paywalled but basically his “doctorate from Penn” is a two year Ed.D. from a cash cow, pay to play program

https://richmond.com/opinion/column/article_a6df09e0-5d84-411c-a780-c6416e28ddd3.html

There’s already a lot of prejudice towards ed schools and EdDs in elite academia (as in, the EdD is not the terminal degree unless it’s from Harvard Ed school or Columbia Teachers College) but a two year program made up of classes once a month, plus a week or two per summer, seems pretty skimpy. Definitely sets him apart from the presidents of the actual Ivies, AAU, or T20 schools. Not a great for UVa, besides all of the political issues with the appointment.

Gee, OP, maybe if you had given your post a thought before posting …. Or bothered to research the people and issues involved.. you might have realized you had it wrong:

1) the article you cite is not the opinion of the paper (and just a Richmond paper at that) but an editorial by a single guest author.

2) this author is a professor of education (yes, same degree you are making of) and has an axe to grind because her field is the diminishing one of race, diversity and DEI in education.

3) As a young academic, she needs to make herself relevant so wrote this trash to keep current with publications. Note it’s in a Richmond paper, not even Charlottesville or a national paper.

4) if you had bothered to even read up on Scott Beardsley’s background you would know he has: (direct from Wikipedia) “Beardsley graduated from Tufts University, where he earned a BS in electrical engineering. He subsequently earned an MBA from the MIT Sloan School of Management. He earned an EdD in higher education management from the University of Pennsylvania in 2015. As of 2024, he is completing a part-time master of studies in practical ethics (artificial intelligence) in the Department of Philosophy at Pembroke College, University of Oxford.”

5) the info in wiki is old. I believe Beardsley the Oxford MPhil degree now -so he has a hard science undergrad and three graduate degrees.

6) had you bothered to check in what people at UVA think (where I am now), you would have learned that the Presidency of any University is primarily that of fund-raiser and that Beardsley is renowned for what he has already accomplished in that area at UVA. No one is unhappy with his pick. Now you might find some liberal Spanberger types who try to trash him but so far nothing has stuck - and they are uniformly off grounds people (like the author of this piece) who don’t know what they are talking about.

7) the article you cite is old and was never picked up by any major publication for the reasons given above.

If no one is unhappy why did[b] the faculty write a letter?

Why do “some” not “all” faculty get involved where they are not wanted every time there’s an issue on any camous? Because they are protesters by nature and because they never have all the facts. You haven’t heard from that segment of the faculty since then, right? Of course not, they’ve gone off to protest something else. Also many were turned off by Ryan’s embarrassing self-serving 12 pages of excuses and whining. I was embarrassing for him. He actually admits in it that he shoukd not be held responsible for the discrimination at the Medical School in hiring and firing. Post the SCOTUS case. If not him, the. Who? That was his job. It was his job to deal with DOJ on the five discrimination cases but he failed to do that too. And he failed to bring UVA in line post-SCOTUS.

Go read the articles by the Jefferson Council. That’s actually what happened.

So you are with the Jefferson Counsel LOL

DP. Yup. The whiny hysteria about faculty is a dead giveaway. Who are faculty to “get involved” in campus issues? Just the people who teach all of the classes and do all of the research! How could they possibly know anything about what goes on day to day at the university?

What a nitwit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paywalled but basically his “doctorate from Penn” is a two year Ed.D. from a cash cow, pay to play program

https://richmond.com/opinion/column/article_a6df09e0-5d84-411c-a780-c6416e28ddd3.html

There’s already a lot of prejudice towards ed schools and EdDs in elite academia (as in, the EdD is not the terminal degree unless it’s from Harvard Ed school or Columbia Teachers College) but a two year program made up of classes once a month, plus a week or two per summer, seems pretty skimpy. Definitely sets him apart from the presidents of the actual Ivies, AAU, or T20 schools. Not a great for UVa, besides all of the political issues with the appointment.

Gee, OP, maybe if you had given your post a thought before posting …. Or bothered to research the people and issues involved.. you might have realized you had it wrong:

1) the article you cite is not the opinion of the paper (and just a Richmond paper at that) but an editorial by a single guest author.

2) this author is a professor of education (yes, same degree you are making of) and has an axe to grind because her field is the diminishing one of race, diversity and DEI in education.

3) As a young academic, she needs to make herself relevant so wrote this trash to keep current with publications. Note it’s in a Richmond paper, not even Charlottesville or a national paper.

4) if you had bothered to even read up on Scott Beardsley’s background you would know he has: (direct from Wikipedia) “Beardsley graduated from Tufts University, where he earned a BS in electrical engineering. He subsequently earned an MBA from the MIT Sloan School of Management. He earned an EdD in higher education management from the University of Pennsylvania in 2015. As of 2024, he is completing a part-time master of studies in practical ethics (artificial intelligence) in the Department of Philosophy at Pembroke College, University of Oxford.”

5) the info in wiki is old. I believe Beardsley the Oxford MPhil degree now -so he has a hard science undergrad and three graduate degrees.

6) had you bothered to check in what people at UVA think (where I am now), you would have learned that the Presidency of any University is primarily that of fund-raiser and that Beardsley is renowned for what he has already accomplished in that area at UVA. No one is unhappy with his pick. Now you might find some liberal Spanberger types who try to trash him but so far nothing has stuck - and they are uniformly off grounds people (like the author of this piece) who don’t know what they are talking about.

7) the article you cite is old and was never picked up by any major publication for the reasons given above.

If no one is unhappy why did[b] the faculty write a letter?

Why do “some” not “all” faculty get involved where they are not wanted every time there’s an issue on any camous? Because they are protesters by nature and because they never have all the facts. You haven’t heard from that segment of the faculty since then, right? Of course not, they’ve gone off to protest something else. Also many were turned off by Ryan’s embarrassing self-serving 12 pages of excuses and whining. I was embarrassing for him. He actually admits in it that he shoukd not be held responsible for the discrimination at the Medical School in hiring and firing. Post the SCOTUS case. If not him, the. Who? That was his job. It was his job to deal with DOJ on the five discrimination cases but he failed to do that too. And he failed to bring UVA in line post-SCOTUS.

Go read the articles by the Jefferson Council. That’s actually what happened.

So you are with the Jefferson Counsel LOL

DP. Yup. The whiny hysteria about faculty is a dead giveaway. Who are faculty to “get involved” in campus issues? Just the people who teach all of the classes and do all of the research! How could they possibly know anything about what goes on day to day at the university?

What a nitwit.

Says the person who hasn’t a clue what’s going on on grounds …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paywalled but basically his “doctorate from Penn” is a two year Ed.D. from a cash cow, pay to play program

https://richmond.com/opinion/column/article_a6df09e0-5d84-411c-a780-c6416e28ddd3.html

There’s already a lot of prejudice towards ed schools and EdDs in elite academia (as in, the EdD is not the terminal degree unless it’s from Harvard Ed school or Columbia Teachers College) but a two year program made up of classes once a month, plus a week or two per summer, seems pretty skimpy. Definitely sets him apart from the presidents of the actual Ivies, AAU, or T20 schools. Not a great for UVa, besides all of the political issues with the appointment.

Gee, OP, maybe if you had given your post a thought before posting …. Or bothered to research the people and issues involved.. you might have realized you had it wrong:

1) the article you cite is not the opinion of the paper (and just a Richmond paper at that) but an editorial by a single guest author.

2) this author is a professor of education (yes, same degree you are making of) and has an axe to grind because her field is the diminishing one of race, diversity and DEI in education.

3) As a young academic, she needs to make herself relevant so wrote this trash to keep current with publications. Note it’s in a Richmond paper, not even Charlottesville or a national paper.

4) if you had bothered to even read up on Scott Beardsley’s background you would know he has: (direct from Wikipedia) “Beardsley graduated from Tufts University, where he earned a BS in electrical engineering. He subsequently earned an MBA from the MIT Sloan School of Management. He earned an EdD in higher education management from the University of Pennsylvania in 2015. As of 2024, he is completing a part-time master of studies in practical ethics (artificial intelligence) in the Department of Philosophy at Pembroke College, University of Oxford.”

5) the info in wiki is old. I believe Beardsley the Oxford MPhil degree now -so he has a hard science undergrad and three graduate degrees.

6) had you bothered to check in what people at UVA think (where I am now), you would have learned that the Presidency of any University is primarily that of fund-raiser and that Beardsley is renowned for what he has already accomplished in that area at UVA. No one is unhappy with his pick. Now you might find some liberal Spanberger types who try to trash him but so far nothing has stuck - and they are uniformly off grounds people (like the author of this piece) who don’t know what they are talking about.

7) the article you cite is old and was never picked up by any major publication for the reasons given above.

If no one is unhappy why did[b] the faculty write a letter?

Why do “some” not “all” faculty get involved where they are not wanted every time there’s an issue on any camous? Because they are protesters by nature and because they never have all the facts. You haven’t heard from that segment of the faculty since then, right? Of course not, they’ve gone off to protest something else. Also many were turned off by Ryan’s embarrassing self-serving 12 pages of excuses and whining. I was embarrassing for him. He actually admits in it that he shoukd not be held responsible for the discrimination at the Medical School in hiring and firing. Post the SCOTUS case. If not him, the. Who? That was his job. It was his job to deal with DOJ on the five discrimination cases but he failed to do that too. And he failed to bring UVA in line post-SCOTUS.

Go read the articles by the Jefferson Council. That’s actually what happened.

So you are with the Jefferson Counsel LOL

DP. Yup. The whiny hysteria about faculty is a dead giveaway. Who are faculty to “get involved” in campus issues? Just the people who teach all of the classes and do all of the research! How could they possibly know anything about what goes on day to day at the university?

What a nitwit.

Says the person who hasn’t a clue what’s going on on grounds …

Says the Jefferson Council shill

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paywalled but basically his “doctorate from Penn” is a two year Ed.D. from a cash cow, pay to play program

https://richmond.com/opinion/column/article_a6df09e0-5d84-411c-a780-c6416e28ddd3.html

There’s already a lot of prejudice towards ed schools and EdDs in elite academia (as in, the EdD is not the terminal degree unless it’s from Harvard Ed school or Columbia Teachers College) but a two year program made up of classes once a month, plus a week or two per summer, seems pretty skimpy. Definitely sets him apart from the presidents of the actual Ivies, AAU, or T20 schools. Not a great for UVa, besides all of the political issues with the appointment.

Gee, OP, maybe if you had given your post a thought before posting …. Or bothered to research the people and issues involved.. you might have realized you had it wrong:

1) the article you cite is not the opinion of the paper (and just a Richmond paper at that) but an editorial by a single guest author.

2) this author is a professor of education (yes, same degree you are making of) and has an axe to grind because her field is the diminishing one of race, diversity and DEI in education.

3) As a young academic, she needs to make herself relevant so wrote this trash to keep current with publications. Note it’s in a Richmond paper, not even Charlottesville or a national paper.

4) if you had bothered to even read up on Scott Beardsley’s background you would know he has: (direct from Wikipedia) “Beardsley graduated from Tufts University, where he earned a BS in electrical engineering. He subsequently earned an MBA from the MIT Sloan School of Management. He earned an EdD in higher education management from the University of Pennsylvania in 2015. As of 2024, he is completing a part-time master of studies in practical ethics (artificial intelligence) in the Department of Philosophy at Pembroke College, University of Oxford.”

5) the info in wiki is old. I believe Beardsley the Oxford MPhil degree now -so he has a hard science undergrad and three graduate degrees.

6) had you bothered to check in what people at UVA think (where I am now), you would have learned that the Presidency of any University is primarily that of fund-raiser and that Beardsley is renowned for what he has already accomplished in that area at UVA. No one is unhappy with his pick. Now you might find some liberal Spanberger types who try to trash him but so far nothing has stuck - and they are uniformly off grounds people (like the author of this piece) who don’t know what they are talking about.

7) the article you cite is old and was never picked up by any major publication for the reasons given above.

If no one is unhappy why did[b] the faculty write a letter?

Why do “some” not “all” faculty get involved where they are not wanted every time there’s an issue on any camous? Because they are protesters by nature and because they never have all the facts. You haven’t heard from that segment of the faculty since then, right? Of course not, they’ve gone off to protest something else. Also many were turned off by Ryan’s embarrassing self-serving 12 pages of excuses and whining. I was embarrassing for him. He actually admits in it that he shoukd not be held responsible for the discrimination at the Medical School in hiring and firing. Post the SCOTUS case. If not him, the. Who? That was his job. It was his job to deal with DOJ on the five discrimination cases but he failed to do that too. And he failed to bring UVA in line post-SCOTUS.

Go read the articles by the Jefferson Council. That’s actually what happened.

So you are with the Jefferson Counsel LOL

DP. Yup. The whiny hysteria about faculty is a dead giveaway. Who are faculty to “get involved” in campus issues? Just the people who teach all of the classes and do all of the research! How could they possibly know anything about what goes on day to day at the university?

What a nitwit.

Says the person who can’t even spell Jefferson Council correctly. Right … like you know what you are talking about

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Academic here: the best college administrators are not always the best scholars. Managerial skills and brilliant scholarship are not one and the same; often they don't co-exist. I can be as snobby about degrees as the next person, but for me the key to a great university president is not what they've published but how they handle students, faculty, parents, fundraising, community-building, etc

There better be a provost or VP of Research or whatever title the place has who understands and has done scholarly research and published in perr reviewed journals then. With citations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paywalled but basically his “doctorate from Penn” is a two year Ed.D. from a cash cow, pay to play program

https://richmond.com/opinion/column/article_a6df09e0-5d84-411c-a780-c6416e28ddd3.html

There’s already a lot of prejudice towards ed schools and EdDs in elite academia (as in, the EdD is not the terminal degree unless it’s from Harvard Ed school or Columbia Teachers College) but a two year program made up of classes once a month, plus a week or two per summer, seems pretty skimpy. Definitely sets him apart from the presidents of the actual Ivies, AAU, or T20 schools. Not a great for UVa, besides all of the political issues with the appointment.

Gee, OP, maybe if you had given your post a thought before posting …. Or bothered to research the people and issues involved.. you might have realized you had it wrong:

1) the article you cite is not the opinion of the paper (and just a Richmond paper at that) but an editorial by a single guest author.

2) this author is a professor of education (yes, same degree you are making of) and has an axe to grind because her field is the diminishing one of race, diversity and DEI in education.

3) As a young academic, she needs to make herself relevant so wrote this trash to keep current with publications. Note it’s in a Richmond paper, not even Charlottesville or a national paper.

4) if you had bothered to even read up on Scott Beardsley’s background you would know he has: (direct from Wikipedia) “Beardsley graduated from Tufts University, where he earned a BS in electrical engineering. He subsequently earned an MBA from the MIT Sloan School of Management. He earned an EdD in higher education management from the University of Pennsylvania in 2015. As of 2024, he is completing a part-time master of studies in practical ethics (artificial intelligence) in the Department of Philosophy at Pembroke College, University of Oxford.”

5) the info in wiki is old. I believe Beardsley the Oxford MPhil degree now -so he has a hard science undergrad and three graduate degrees.

6) had you bothered to check in what people at UVA think (where I am now), you would have learned that the Presidency of any University is primarily that of fund-raiser and that Beardsley is renowned for what he has already accomplished in that area at UVA. No one is unhappy with his pick. Now you might find some liberal Spanberger types who try to trash him but so far nothing has stuck - and they are uniformly off grounds people (like the author of this piece) who don’t know what they are talking about.

7) the article you cite is old and was never picked up by any major publication for the reasons given above.

If no one is unhappy why did[b] the faculty write a letter?

Why do “some” not “all” faculty get involved where they are not wanted every time there’s an issue on any camous? Because they are protesters by nature and because they never have all the facts. You haven’t heard from that segment of the faculty since then, right? Of course not, they’ve gone off to protest something else. Also many were turned off by Ryan’s embarrassing self-serving 12 pages of excuses and whining. I was embarrassing for him. He actually admits in it that he shoukd not be held responsible for the discrimination at the Medical School in hiring and firing. Post the SCOTUS case. If not him, the. Who? That was his job. It was his job to deal with DOJ on the five discrimination cases but he failed to do that too. And he failed to bring UVA in line post-SCOTUS.

Go read the articles by the Jefferson Council. That’s actually what happened.

So you are with the Jefferson Counsel LOL

DP. Yup. The whiny hysteria about faculty is a dead giveaway. Who are faculty to “get involved” in campus issues? Just the people who teach all of the classes and do all of the research! How could they possibly know anything about what goes on day to day at the university?

What a nitwit.

Says the person who can’t even spell Jefferson Council correctly. Right … like you know what you are talking about

What is the average age of Jefferson Council members? About that of Trump and Biden?

DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a little like right wing shitheel Christopher Rufo passing himself off as a Harvard grad when he only went to the extension school.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/harvard-prof-walks-back-criticism-of-extension-school-degrees-this-still-isnt-an-apology-jennifer-hochschild-christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-corey-deangelis-university-cambridge-massachusetts

That dude got a masters degree from Harvard Extension. I dunno, aren’t most masters degrees even at top 5 pay to play anyway? He went to Gtown as an undergrad. I don’t believe he would have trouble getting a masters degree at a top 5 if he’s willing to pay. Ask me how I know!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a little like right wing shitheel Christopher Rufo passing himself off as a Harvard grad when he only went to the extension school.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/harvard-prof-walks-back-criticism-of-extension-school-degrees-this-still-isnt-an-apology-jennifer-hochschild-christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-corey-deangelis-university-cambridge-massachusetts

That dude got a masters degree from Harvard Extension. I dunno, aren’t most masters degrees even at top 5 pay to play anyway? He went to Gtown as an undergrad. I don’t believe he would have trouble getting a masters degree at a top 5 if he’s willing to pay. Ask me how I know!

Why is it called Harvard Extension and not Harvard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a little like right wing shitheel Christopher Rufo passing himself off as a Harvard grad when he only went to the extension school.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/harvard-prof-walks-back-criticism-of-extension-school-degrees-this-still-isnt-an-apology-jennifer-hochschild-christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-corey-deangelis-university-cambridge-massachusetts

That dude got a masters degree from Harvard Extension. I dunno, aren’t most masters degrees even at top 5 pay to play anyway? He went to Gtown as an undergrad. I don’t believe he would have trouble getting a masters degree at a top 5 if he’s willing to pay. Ask me how I know!

Yup, Ivy pay to play degrees are common for masters. They are less common for doctorates. Beardsley's resume says "doctorate in Higher Education Management" but who's supposed to know that it's a 2 year program unless they google? Even then it's confusing b/c Penn has an Ed.D. that's not the executive program, as well as a Ph.D. (terminal) degree. People getting these degrees should be transparent about what they are, his resume/vitae should say "Executive Doctorate" or "Executive Ed.D." and better yet, the years that he was there, 2015-2017. Then people can make the judgment call on what to do with that information. Without that information, the degrees are benefiting from ppl's ignorance about what's actually behind them. This is less worrisome say if it's a community college president, but this is an elite, T25 PUBLIC research university that's part of the AAU. It's a different scene...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would you all prefer Claudine Gay?

Yes, she was a universal admired leaders within the organization.

[Anonymous]

Why exactly is a doctorate needed to be a university administrator?

[Anonymous]

Who cares? Most phds are just a waste of time anyway. Obviously he’s an intelligent person and can do the job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a little like right wing shitheel Christopher Rufo passing himself off as a Harvard grad when he only went to the extension school.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/harvard-prof-walks-back-criticism-of-extension-school-degrees-this-still-isnt-an-apology-jennifer-hochschild-christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-corey-deangelis-university-cambridge-massachusetts

That dude got a masters degree from Harvard Extension. I dunno, aren’t most masters degrees even at top 5 pay to play anyway? He went to Gtown as an undergrad. I don’t believe he would have trouble getting a masters degree at a top 5 if he’s willing to pay. Ask me how I know!

Yup, Ivy pay to play degrees are common for masters. They are less common for doctorates. Beardsley's resume says "doctorate in Higher Education Management" but who's supposed to know that it's a 2 year program unless they google? Even then it's confusing b/c Penn has an Ed.D. that's not the executive program, as well as a Ph.D. (terminal) degree. People getting these degrees should be transparent about what they are, his resume/vitae should say "Executive Doctorate" or "Executive Ed.D." and better yet, the years that he was there, 2015-2017. Then people can make the judgment call on what to do with that information. Without that information, the degrees are benefiting from ppl's ignorance about what's actually behind them. This is less worrisome say if it's a community college president, but this is an elite, T25 PUBLIC research university that's part of the AAU. It's a different scene...

To be fair, anyone with an ounce of common sense can detect BS from a “doctorate in Higher Education Management.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a little like right wing shitheel Christopher Rufo passing himself off as a Harvard grad when he only went to the extension school.

https://thenationaldesk.com/news/americas-news-now/harvard-prof-walks-back-criticism-of-extension-school-degrees-this-still-isnt-an-apology-jennifer-hochschild-christopher-rufo-claudine-gay-corey-deangelis-university-cambridge-massachusetts

That dude got a masters degree from Harvard Extension. I dunno, aren’t most masters degrees even at top 5 pay to play anyway? He went to Gtown as an undergrad. I don’t believe he would have trouble getting a masters degree at a top 5 if he’s willing to pay. Ask me how I know!

Yup, Ivy pay to play degrees are common for masters. They are less common for doctorates. Beardsley's resume says "doctorate in Higher Education Management" but who's supposed to know that it's a 2 year program unless they google? Even then it's confusing b/c Penn has an Ed.D. that's not the executive program, as well as a Ph.D. (terminal) degree. People getting these degrees should be transparent about what they are, his resume/vitae should say "Executive Doctorate" or "Executive Ed.D." and better yet, the years that he was there, 2015-2017. Then people can make the judgment call on what to do with that information. Without that information, the degrees are benefiting from ppl's ignorance about what's actually behind them. This is less worrisome say if it's a community college president, but this is an elite, T25 PUBLIC research university that's part of the AAU. It's a different scene...

To be fair, anyone with an ounce of common sense can detect BS from a “doctorate in Higher Education Management.”

Can they? Seasoned academics, yes, but I dunno about others. Obviously a lot of ppl on this thread don't care.

Like the EdD is already weird for a T25 prez and literally no other T25 prez has it. But I think if more people realized it's not just an EdD but a two year EdD that's like one weekend of classes a month...he would have been stopped earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why exactly is a doctorate needed to be a university administrator?

This is the salient question. It would seem merely incidental to job duties, which don't include teaching or research. A MBA or JD would arguably make much more sense.