Does 1580+ help T20 admissions?
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Anonymous
Look at the Harvard lawsuit. The scoring shows 33-36 was treated the same (!!!!) It was all of the other factors that matter. And matter A LOT. |
Anonymous
| 1580 denied at U Chicago, waitlisted at U Mich. Stellar academics, but no extraordinary extracurriculars. As people said, the grades and scores are important, but they could fill their classes many times over based only on grades and scores. They are looking for that PLUS something extra. |
Anonymous
Evidence of "academic interest", which is institutional priorities (or undersubscribed), is an important part of class shaping. Perhaps the most overlooked in the discussion here. It's why CS, Eng, and Business kids can have a horrible RD process while Classics, Middle Eastern Studies, Asian American Lang & Literature, and Jewish Studies can have fabulous RD runs. |
Anonymous
You are saying, for undersubscribed majors, it works better in RD than ED? So ED deferrals could be just that, at least partially, they want to shape the class toward the end of the application season? |
Anonymous
That data was a long time ago and from old SAT ranges pre 2016. It has changed a lot. 1550+ is usually a slight boost, from our private with counselors who worked at top15 recently. More important is the breakdown: the math and reading have to be tops.1550 guarantees that the split is good enough, but a balanced 1520 could be very similar (780M/740v is not that different from 800m/750v), while a 790v and 730m for someone not obviously strongly humanities-talented is not as good. You can pick any major once there; 730m is quite weak. |
Anonymous
Was there a weakness somewhere in the app noticeable in ED? Are you the OP with a 1580? Is it an objectively strong, undersubscribed application, with notable/strong in and out of school evidence for major and leadership/impact? Great LOR that stands on its own? Objectively strong essays? Depending on the major (did you check the last page of CDS to see how many/what % of the senior class listed that major), I'd assume you get at least 1 in RD. But it honestly depends on the major and what the university prioritizes. Class shaping is extremely important in RD. |
Anonymous
GPA is the most important. My child has 1580 as well and Deferred at Brown, USC, UMich. You need very high GPA + this SAT score |
Anonymous
Unrelated to OP, was asking about the undersubscribed major in relation to ED/RD. Top of the class, 1500+, average EC related to undersubscribed major, deferred CMC. |
Anonymous
| A lot of deferrals this year. Too many early applications. |
Anonymous
| Child got a 35 ACT one-and-done in Sept of Junior year (~1540-1550 SAT equivalent). We were told that checks a box/jumps a hurdle at every school. We were cautioned that it's a great score and helpful in the scheme of things, but guarantees nothing in the end. |
Anonymous
us too, and kid refused to take again because college counselor told him the same. |
Anonymous
+1, and counselor said to use time/energy/emotion on schoolwork, essays and other things that will matter far, far more in the end, "don't make test-taking an EC" |
Anonymous
| Looks like Michigan is the only place where a high test score might have some slight advantages. Otherwise no difference between 1500 and 1580 for T20. |
Anonymous
Penn deferred ED. Undersubscribed major. 3.9+ top private, 1500. LOCI hoping for the best. |
Anonymous
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For all you undersubscribed majors, the key is how strong is your kid’s app for that major compared to the RD apps for that same major at that school. Probably not something you can judge for yourself unless you’ve seen other high-quality successful applications. It would be a question for your counselor?
Were your kid’s RD apps stronger (it’s OK if they were. It usually works out that way. And usually these kids tend to have some good regular decision options.) Hang in there. This was my DC. Rejected ED after a T10 deferral. At Cornell. |