Why does DC seem like such a Catholic town with so little Catholics?

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

What about heterosexual couples who try to have children, but can't? Are they going against nature too?

Infertility is not a sin.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

What about heterosexual couples who try to have children, but can't? Are they going against nature too?

Infertility is not a sin.

Because they're having sex the normal way? What about heterosexual couples who have sex the normal way , but also throw some kinks in? Are they OK as long as they at least try to have children?

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Sigh. The Deep South, the heart of MAGA country, the most anti-gay and anti-choice region in the country, is far and away the least Catholic. They're practically non-existent there. The KKK hated Catholics almost as much as it hated black people.

Catholics are most heavily concentrated in urban areas of the northeast, Midwest, and California -- the bluest areas of the country. The nutjob Catholics on the Supreme Court weren't picked because they're Catholic; they're there because they're conservative. Conservatives come in every stripe. Stephen Miller is Jewish. Scott Bessent is gay. Justice Sotomayor is Catholic. So was Justice William Brennan, the liberal lion anti-death penalty champion of abortion rights and gay rights who Justice Scalia once said was the most influential justice of the 20th Century.

Anyone who thinks that we Catholics are all running around hating and judging gays just don't get us. They're certainly not going to Mass with us (where gay sh*t is never discussed) and they're not having dinner with us. Sure, from time to time some bishop or somebody in Rome says something about the gays -- we roll our eyes and go on with our day.

There's a lot of "official" stuff that I don't like about many other mainstream religions. I don't judge every member of those faiths for that stuff. If you are judging every Catholic for every official tenet of the religion it makes you a bigot. Plain and simple.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

What about heterosexual couples who try to have children, but can't? Are they going against nature too?

Infertility is not a sin.

Because they're having sex the normal way? What about heterosexual couples who have sex the normal way , but also throw some kinks in? Are they OK as long as they at least try to have children?

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. (Hebrews 13:4)

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I grew up in New York, where Catholic communities felt much more rooted in immigrant identity—Irish, Italian, Polish, Spanish, Portuguese, Filipino, etc. There was plenty of overlap, of course, but Catholicism was as much a cultural inheritance as a religious practice.

You see less of that in D.C. than in places like Boston, New York, or Chicago. In D.C , Catholic life seems more centered on long-standing institutions, traditions, and status, rather than on immigrant or working-class roots. It feels more insular as a result.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

That has nothing to do with LGBT 🏳️‍🌈 love.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

DP. Pot, meet kettle.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

Yes, everyone knows that Romans is the perfect distillation of Christ’s teachings.

/s

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. The Deep South, the heart of MAGA country, the most anti-gay and anti-choice region in the country, is far and away the least Catholic. They're practically non-existent there. The KKK hated Catholics almost as much as it hated black people.

Catholics are most heavily concentrated in urban areas of the northeast, Midwest, and California -- the bluest areas of the country. The nutjob Catholics on the Supreme Court weren't picked because they're Catholic; they're there because they're conservative. Conservatives come in every stripe. Stephen Miller is Jewish. Scott Bessent is gay. Justice Sotomayor is Catholic. So was Justice William Brennan, the liberal lion anti-death penalty champion of abortion rights and gay rights who Justice Scalia once said was the most influential justice of the 20th Century.

Anyone who thinks that we Catholics are all running around hating and judging gays just don't get us. They're certainly not going to Mass with us (where gay sh*t is never discussed) and they're not having dinner with us. Sure, from time to time some bishop or somebody in Rome says something about the gays -- we roll our eyes and go on with our day.

There's a lot of "official" stuff that I don't like about many other mainstream religions. I don't judge every member of those faiths for that stuff. If you are judging every Catholic for every official tenet of the religion it makes you a bigot. Plain and simple.

And it makes you a cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing what you want to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. The Deep South, the heart of MAGA country, the most anti-gay and anti-choice region in the country, is far and away the least Catholic. They're practically non-existent there. The KKK hated Catholics almost as much as it hated black people.

Catholics are most heavily concentrated in urban areas of the northeast, Midwest, and California -- the bluest areas of the country. The nutjob Catholics on the Supreme Court weren't picked because they're Catholic; they're there because they're conservative. Conservatives come in every stripe. Stephen Miller is Jewish. Scott Bessent is gay. Justice Sotomayor is Catholic. So was Justice William Brennan, the liberal lion anti-death penalty champion of abortion rights and gay rights who Justice Scalia once said was the most influential justice of the 20th Century.

Anyone who thinks that we Catholics are all running around hating and judging gays just don't get us. They're certainly not going to Mass with us (where gay sh*t is never discussed) and they're not having dinner with us. Sure, from time to time some bishop or somebody in Rome says something about the gays -- we roll our eyes and go on with our day.

There's a lot of "official" stuff that I don't like about many other mainstream religions. I don't judge every member of those faiths for that stuff. If you are judging every Catholic for every official tenet of the religion it makes you a bigot. Plain and simple.

And it makes you a cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing what you want to believe.

Are you without sin? Maybe work on yourself before judging others.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. The Deep South, the heart of MAGA country, the most anti-gay and anti-choice region in the country, is far and away the least Catholic. They're practically non-existent there. The KKK hated Catholics almost as much as it hated black people.

Catholics are most heavily concentrated in urban areas of the northeast, Midwest, and California -- the bluest areas of the country. The nutjob Catholics on the Supreme Court weren't picked because they're Catholic; they're there because they're conservative. Conservatives come in every stripe. Stephen Miller is Jewish. Scott Bessent is gay. Justice Sotomayor is Catholic. So was Justice William Brennan, the liberal lion anti-death penalty champion of abortion rights and gay rights who Justice Scalia once said was the most influential justice of the 20th Century.

Anyone who thinks that we Catholics are all running around hating and judging gays just don't get us. They're certainly not going to Mass with us (where gay sh*t is never discussed) and they're not having dinner with us. Sure, from time to time some bishop or somebody in Rome says something about the gays -- we roll our eyes and go on with our day.

There's a lot of "official" stuff that I don't like about many other mainstream religions. I don't judge every member of those faiths for that stuff. If you are judging every Catholic for every official tenet of the religion it makes you a bigot. Plain and simple.

And it makes you a cafeteria Catholic, picking and choosing what you want to believe.

And it makes you a lemming for following non-divine teachings.

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Anyone who thinks that we Catholics are all running around hating and judging gays just don't get us. They're certainly not going to Mass with us (where gay sh*t is never discussed) and they're not having dinner with us. Sure, from time to time some bishop or somebody in Rome says something about the gays -- we roll our eyes and go on with our day.

There's a lot of "official" stuff that I don't like about many other mainstream religions. I don't judge every member of those faiths for that stuff. If you are judging every Catholic for every official tenet of the religion it makes you a bigot. Plain and simple.

If the official stance of the religion is that being gay is a sin and abortion is a sin, you can’t really blame people for assuming those are your beliefs. There are also very high profile conservative Catholics wreaking havoc on our country right now, so people are going to be reactionary.

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Anonymous wrote:There are Catholics here for sure, but it’s not nearly as heavily Catholic as Boston, New York or Philly. Historically it was always more African American and AAs aren’t real Catholic.

What?

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I guess it just depends on where you are. I lived and went to school in Kensington and Chevy Chase. I think I knew maybe two protestants.

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

The ones with black splotches on their foreheads on ash Wednesday are Catholics.

In DC, just as likely, if not more likely, to be Episcopalian.

Or Lutheran.