Why does DC seem like such a Catholic town with so little Catholics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m still confused as to what a “cradle Catholic” is

Does it mean one is somehow more Catholic than a child who gets baptized and takes communion at, say, 7 years old?

Does it mean you had a crucifix over your crib and that your mobile was a bunch of holy cards and rosaries?

Would the seven years between birth and 1st communion mean you get some kind of Catholic extra credit or something? You’re barely a sentient human yet much less immersed in any doctrine you can understand.

Does the Catholic Church even distinguish between someone born into a Catholic family vs. a converted family? Does it mean Boston College and Holy Cross give your application extra weight if you declare yourself a “cradle Catholic?”

What an odd phrase altogether

Something is not odd just because you don’t understand it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Answering from the VA side, this is a very, very conservative parish. It's not just conservative, but inflexible. I wanted to marry DH (protestant) in the Catholic church I'd been attending for years and the priest just wouldn't budge on DH converting. I realize we probably could have fought harder. We would both have attended the catholic church and raised our children catholic, but DH didn't want to go through RCIA. We had multiple meetings with the priest about it, so we left.

The current Catholic church near me (Arlington diocese) is very political and even makes political statements during the homily. My parents have a lot of trouble with it.

Interestingly enough, DC proper has a lot of Opus Dei.

This isnt a thing. People of other denominations get married in a Catholic Church all the time. They may not have a Catholic mass but they have a service there which for someone who isnt Catholic makes complete sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

[Anonymous]

Cradle Catholics often have an attachment to the religion that is more cultural and familial. They might identify more as Italian Catholic, Irish Catholic etc. It’s just different from being a convert.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Come join us at Holy Trinity in Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

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Anonymous wrote:The universities, the churches/cathedrals, and yet I never meet any Catholics out in this area at all.

What gives?

This is a hard town to be openly Catholic with people that you don’t know well. Although the majority of US Catholics and Catholics in this area particular, are not social conservatives, you will be tar-brushed as right wing.

Before the pandemic, I volunteered for years with a nonprofit that did art therapy. In 2019, someone joined the board who assumed that I and another volunteer would be anti-LGBTQ because of our religions. She demanded that we quit because she said it made her feel uncomfortable and she was certain we made the population we served uncomfortable. She only knew I was Catholic because she asked to change a meeting to accommodate her religious holiday and I said I couldn’t attend the new date because my religious holiday was the next day.

When I was told I had to quit because I was Catholic, I fought back a bit, pointing out that 1)one of my kids was an out lesbian and very active in our parish, 2) the witnesses at my wedding were a gay couple, and 3) I had been the volunteer who brought in a trans masc artist (a friend’s partner) to work with our Haitian clients.

It didn’t work. The knee jerk on her part was that as a Catholic, I had to be a bigot so I had to go.

Since then, I have been hesitant to identify myself as Catholic. When it happens online, I see that same knee jerk response even when I am clearly protesting socially conservative policies and ideas.

I’m really sorry you were treated like a member of your church and not as an individual. But the Church has made its position on LGBQT people abundantly clear - God loves you, but living as your authentic self and seeking out human love and connection in the way you were born to want is a mortal sin that you must avoid at all costs. Your daughter may be a lesbian, but the church demands that she live without sexual companionship and will not recognize any marriage she makes unless it is to a born man.

People are not unreasonable in assuming that your continued support of and affiliation with an institution with such a clearly stated policy indicates your support for that policy. Maybe it’s not fair, but church affiliation isn’t mandatory, and it’s certainly not something that is outside your control.

If your organization serves a lot of LGBQT people, you have to accept that serving that population in a real way means recognizing when your choices make people uncomfortable. No one is going to ask a card carrying member of the Daughters of the Confederacy to join the NAACP Board, even if she’s just honoring her ancestors and isn’t really a racist. The stink is there.

I'm not sure which post is worse. Hers or yours.

I don't believe she was asked to leave because she was Catholic. That's total bullshit and didn't happen. But assuming it really did, your support for it is also bullshit. You're a bigot.

Taking responsibility for your choices is hard, I can see why you’d shut down and start insulting people who make you uncomfortable.

Maybe you should stop being bigoted to people based on who they are and how they love. How dare you presume God made them wrong?! What do you know?

One of us is the bigot and it ain't me.

Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. God knows what you think about his creations. You’re crazy if you think any amount of ritual can forgive that kind of unabashed hate. Absolutely crazy.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you just trolling? Spare me the Catholic bashing. I've been Catholic my whole life. I went to Catholic school through grad school. I've been to Mass a thousand times over. Never once have I been subjected to anything anti-gay in any of those contexts. My best friend is gay. I just went to his wedding with my whole family. The Pride Parade is our favorite day in the summer. We live right on the parade route and have a party. I don't give sh*t if you're gay, and neither does any Catholic I know.

You're the one generalizing and spreading hate.

Hon, you’re putting money in a pot that is instantly turned around to make proclamations like “gay people are living in sin if they don’t commit to a life of abstinence.” And not just that, laws that seek to make those religious proclamations the LAW.

I’m sorry if this is painful for you, that what you choose to finance with your time and your treasure does not match your perception of yourself. But maybe if you stopped resorting to calling people bigots and instead did a little self reflection, you’d understand. Truth is truth, facts are facts. People who support hate are haters.

Calling traditional religious views on sexuality "hate" is bigoted. Do you call traditional Muslims and Orthodox Jews "haters" or only Catholics?

+1 Truth is not hate but it is hateful to those in rebellion against God and the natural order he created. It is biologically impossible for two people of the same sex “mating” with one another to create a baby; therefore it is unnatural and goes against nature. God declares it an abomination, a terrible sin: those who engage in the sin of LGBTQ will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature
—Romans 1:26

What about heterosexual couples who try to have children, but can't? Are they going against nature too?