Start calculus in high school, dont enter college calculus cold

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

That is what I thought and now we have confirmation. High school calculus is generally more common in Red States compared to Blue States, as Red States have implemented reforms that have improved educational outcomes, including access to advanced math courses like calculus. In contrast, Blue States have seen declines in math scores and may have less emphasis on advanced math courses due to emphasis on educational equity of outcome.

True.

California and other west coast states have (not surprisingly) lead the way on reducing advanced math in public school. This article from The Atlantic provides some background: California limited Algebra to 9th grade and not before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

Stop repeating debunked 2 year old talking points.

That was a PROPOSAL that was modified to clarify that Calculus would not be prevented.
The Framework recommends developing Algebra 1 content in Prealgebra and Algebra 1 class, instead of rushing to an "Algebra 2" class that spends half the year repeating Algebra 1.

What California is proposing, rigorous Algebra in 9th instead of watered down Algebra in 8th, is exactly what the academically top private schools like Philips Academy do.

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/mathfwfaqs.asp

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

That is what I thought and now we have confirmation. High school calculus is generally more common in Red States compared to Blue States, as Red States have implemented reforms that have improved educational outcomes, including access to advanced math courses like calculus. In contrast, Blue States have seen declines in math scores and may have less emphasis on advanced math courses due to emphasis on educational equity of outcome.

True.

California and other west coast states have (not surprisingly) lead the way on reducing advanced math in public school. This article from The Atlantic provides some background: California limited Algebra to 9th grade and not before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

Stop repeating debunked 2 year old talking points.

That was a PROPOSAL that was modified to clarify that Calculus would not be prevented.
The Framework recommends developing Algebra 1 content in Prealgebra and Algebra 1 class, instead of rushing to an "Algebra 2" class that spends half the year repeating Algebra 1.

What California is proposing, rigorous Algebra in 9th instead of watered down Algebra in 8th, is exactly what the academically top private schools like Philips Academy do.

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/mathfwfaqs.asp

"equity in mathematics"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

City Journal is a right-wing propaganda rag.

We've already had threads on how Mississippi "improved" 4th grade reading scores by reclassifying 4th graders as 3rd graders.

Liar!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

City Journal is a right-wing propaganda rag.

We've already had threads on how Mississippi "improved" 4th grade reading scores by reclassifying 4th graders as 3rd graders.

To the pp, anything short of Karl Marx’s Das Kapital is “right wing propaganda.” She’s completely wrong about City Journal, as usual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

City Journal is a right-wing propaganda rag.

We've already had threads on how Mississippi "improved" 4th grade reading scores by reclassifying 4th graders as 3rd graders.

To the pp, anything short of Karl Marx’s Das Kapital is “right wing propaganda.” She’s completely wrong about City Journal, as usual.

It's Chris Rufo's rag

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Journal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

City Journal is a right-wing propaganda rag.

We've already had threads on how Mississippi "improved" 4th grade reading scores by reclassifying 4th graders as 3rd graders.

Liar!

It's not a secret. Mississippi brags about its policy of holding students back in 3rd grade.

https://mississippitoday.org/2024/05/22/how-many-students-are-retained-by-the-third-grade-gate-no-one-knows/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:VPMI is dead, even though there is a poster who wants to scream about them where ever possible.

The push to get more kids into Algebra 1 earlier then before is massive, see the 6th grade Algebra 1 pilot. Or dropping the IAAT and placing any kid who passed the SOL advanced into Algebra 1H in 7th grade, even when the student selected 7H. Parents were having to opt out kids who had already opted out of A1H in 7th grade.

DCUM’s resident equity-troll has entered the conversation apparently. She hates the idea of math acceleration and would like to see the AAP disappear altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VPMI is dead, even though there is a poster who wants to scream about them where ever possible.

The push to get more kids into Algebra 1 earlier then before is massive, see the 6th grade Algebra 1 pilot. Or dropping the IAAT and placing any kid who passed the SOL advanced into Algebra 1H in 7th grade, even when the student selected 7H. Parents were having to opt out kids who had already opted out of A1H in 7th grade.

DCUM’s resident equity-troll has entered the conversation apparently. She hates the idea of math acceleration and would like to see the AAP disappear altogether.

A post pointing to the acceleration of math, which means Calculus earlier, is an equity-troll? Really? FCPS is actively trying to increase the number of kids taking Algebra 1 by/in 8th grade, which means more kids taking calculus in HS, which you claim the VPMI group is trying to get rid of.

Call me confused.

[Anonymous]

My son took multivariable calculus in the 8th grade, qualified also for the math olympiad in the international level, the IMO. Math is pretty easy and should be easy for all the students. Just learn from the great Po shen loh, he is my son's teacher.

[Anonymous]

My son is the US National Champion in the National Calculus League (CML contest) and the US National Champion for Physics, Chemistry, and Biology in the National Science League (CML contests). He’s a two-time Global Math Olympiad Scholarship (GMOS) winner, a Harvard International Relations Scholar, Inspirit AI Scholar, and a Qubit x Qubit Quantum Computing Full Scholarship recipient.

He’s also a Davidson Young Scholar, earned the Johns Hopkins University CTY Grand Honors Award, qualified for the Julian C. Stanley Study of Exceptional Talent (SET), and was recognized as a YALA Outstanding Scholar.

Remarkably, he qualified for both USAJMO and CJMO while in Grade 5, won Gold at the International Junior Math Olympiad (IJMO), and is a two-time National Spelling Bee of Canada Champion.

He’s a Senior Y1 member of the International Junior Honor Society (IJHS), a lifetime member of MENSA, and a Junior MENSA Honor Society member. Altogether, he’s earned hundreds of awards in national and international competitions in math, computer science, science, and more.

Do Better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

That is what I thought and now we have confirmation. High school calculus is generally more common in Red States compared to Blue States, as Red States have implemented reforms that have improved educational outcomes, including access to advanced math courses like calculus. In contrast, Blue States have seen declines in math scores and may have less emphasis on advanced math courses due to emphasis on educational equity of outcome.

True.

California and other west coast states have (not surprisingly) lead the way on reducing advanced math in public school. This article from The Atlantic provides some background: California limited Algebra to 9th grade and not before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

Stop repeating debunked 2 year old talking points.

That was a PROPOSAL that was modified to clarify that Calculus would not be prevented.
The Framework recommends developing Algebra 1 content in Prealgebra and Algebra 1 class, instead of rushing to an "Algebra 2" class that spends half the year repeating Algebra 1.

What California is proposing, rigorous Algebra in 9th instead of watered down Algebra in 8th, is exactly what the academically top private schools like Philips Academy do.

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/mathfwfaqs.asp

The proposal only didn't pass because of sustained national and local pushback. Smaller scale (illegal) policies of no algebra before 9th were already in place before that and were primed to scale.

And Philips does not require all students to start in algebra. If they did, the most advanced math they could offer would be precalc, or maybe calc 1 if students double up. On the contrary, they have multivariable calculus, linear algebra, etc.

Not to mention they specifically hired the US IMO team coach to work with their top students in a special olympiad-level class: https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Phillips-Exeter-Academy-math-team-perform-so-well-at-competitions/answer/Ray-Li-8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:VPMI is dead, even though there is a poster who wants to scream about them where ever possible.

The push to get more kids into Algebra 1 earlier then before is massive, see the 6th grade Algebra 1 pilot. Or dropping the IAAT and placing any kid who passed the SOL advanced into Algebra 1H in 7th grade, even when the student selected 7H. Parents were having to opt out kids who had already opted out of A1H in 7th grade.

If we are able to get Abigail Spanberger into the governorship of Virginia, she will finally be able to implement equity in mathematics education by signing the VMPI and making it the rule for every VA high school.

Funny this post hasn't been deleted. Seen many posts that mention politicians and their supposed points of view just get deleted. For instance, if I said governor so and so canceled VMPI this post might get deleted (it would be too factual).

FWIW, I like your troll-baiting, but tbh I am afraid that exactly this will happen. The VMPI toads will crawl out of their holes and try to unleash the same stuff again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son is the US National Champion in the National Calculus League (CML contest) and the US National Champion for Physics, Chemistry, and Biology in the National Science League (CML contests). He’s a two-time Global Math Olympiad Scholarship (GMOS) winner, a Harvard International Relations Scholar, Inspirit AI Scholar, and a Qubit x Qubit Quantum Computing Full Scholarship recipient.

He’s also a Davidson Young Scholar, earned the Johns Hopkins University CTY Grand Honors Award, qualified for the Julian C. Stanley Study of Exceptional Talent (SET), and was recognized as a YALA Outstanding Scholar.

Remarkably, he qualified for both USAJMO and CJMO while in Grade 5, won Gold at the International Junior Math Olympiad (IJMO), and is a two-time National Spelling Bee of Canada Champion.

He’s a Senior Y1 member of the International Junior Honor Society (IJHS), a lifetime member of MENSA, and a Junior MENSA Honor Society member. Altogether, he’s earned hundreds of awards in national and international competitions in math, computer science, science, and more.

Do Better.

None of these are particularly impressive other than the USAJMO qualification. Plenty of other USAJMO qualifiers could get similar awards in those random math competitions if they cared, but they don't because they aren't important. If he finds them fun then by all means he should keep doing what he finds fun, but the marginal college admissions value is negligible and perhaps even negative if you were to try to shove them in to the application. (His profile looks more "coached" and thus less impressive than if you had just said he was a 5th grade USAJMO qualifier)

Keep in mind the common app only has room for 10 extracurricular activities, and MIT only allows 4.

If you want to know what would be more effective at maximizing his long term college admit chances (I think you do), I would recommend math tutoring / starting a math club at the elementary/middle school, volunteering at a local math circle, branching out into physics or informatics Olympiads, doing various programs like Michigan Math and Science Scholars, all the classic summer math programs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/collegeresults/comments/18f752r/indian_internationals_miraculous_journey_to/ - here's an example of the kind of genuinely impressive stuff people do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1

Read this article for starters

https://www.city-journal.org/article/education-reform-students-reading-math-republican-states

That is what I thought and now we have confirmation. High school calculus is generally more common in Red States compared to Blue States, as Red States have implemented reforms that have improved educational outcomes, including access to advanced math courses like calculus. In contrast, Blue States have seen declines in math scores and may have less emphasis on advanced math courses due to emphasis on educational equity of outcome.

True.

California and other west coast states have (not surprisingly) lead the way on reducing advanced math in public school. This article from The Atlantic provides some background: California limited Algebra to 9th grade and not before.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/california-math-framework-algebra/675509/

Stop repeating debunked 2 year old talking points.

That was a PROPOSAL that was modified to clarify that Calculus would not be prevented.
The Framework recommends developing Algebra 1 content in Prealgebra and Algebra 1 class, instead of rushing to an "Algebra 2" class that spends half the year repeating Algebra 1.

What California is proposing, rigorous Algebra in 9th instead of watered down Algebra in 8th, is exactly what the academically top private schools like Philips Academy do.

https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/ma/cf/mathfwfaqs.asp

The proposal only didn't pass because of sustained national and local pushback. Smaller scale (illegal) policies of no algebra before 9th were already in place before that and were primed to scale.

And Philips does not require all students to start in algebra. If they did, the most advanced math they could offer would be precalc, or maybe calc 1 if students double up. On the contrary, they have multivariable calculus, linear algebra, etc.

Not to mention they specifically hired the US IMO team coach to work with their top students in a special olympiad-level class: https://www.quora.com/How-does-the-Phillips-Exeter-Academy-math-team-perform-so-well-at-competitions/answer/Ray-Li-8

NP.

Good points.

And they highlight what the original article demonstrates: there was and is in fact a concerted effort to curtail the teaching of accelerated and advanced mathematics in public schools.

This movement of progressives is anti-intellectual and has already set our country back compared to other nations. It needs to stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son is the US National Champion in the National Calculus League (CML contest) and the US National Champion for Physics, Chemistry, and Biology in the National Science League (CML contests). He’s a two-time Global Math Olympiad Scholarship (GMOS) winner, a Harvard International Relations Scholar, Inspirit AI Scholar, and a Qubit x Qubit Quantum Computing Full Scholarship recipient.

He’s also a Davidson Young Scholar, earned the Johns Hopkins University CTY Grand Honors Award, qualified for the Julian C. Stanley Study of Exceptional Talent (SET), and was recognized as a YALA Outstanding Scholar.

Remarkably, he qualified for both USAJMO and CJMO while in Grade 5, won Gold at the International Junior Math Olympiad (IJMO), and is a two-time National Spelling Bee of Canada Champion.

He’s a Senior Y1 member of the International Junior Honor Society (IJHS), a lifetime member of MENSA, and a Junior MENSA Honor Society member. Altogether, he’s earned hundreds of awards in national and international competitions in math, computer science, science, and more.

Do Better.

Why are you outing your son on DCUM? Is this a joke?