My Opinion on the SATs/Standardized Tesrs

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Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

If you're going in for life-saving surgery, do you want a doctor who needed the playing field leveled for them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exposing accommodations to colleges should never happen. At least I am glad it hasn't happened yet because both my kids benefitted from it, but they both have severe ADHD. Sharing a student has accommodations puts them at a deep disadvantage....maybe even more of a disadvantage than getting a lower score without accommodations. FWIW my oldest got extra time on the ACT, got a very good score, and was admitted to a T20 and did very well. Not a superstar, but gainfully employed now making 6 figures.

Those of you who are pissed off about it...keep steaming lol. It's not changing any time soon.

My kid was diagnosed with a reading disability at 16. We had no idea. I was one of those parents who thought extra time for disabilities was a scam.. until DC's diagnosis. The extra time has helped DC with their reading even as they still scored higher on the math section.

I would rather DC not need the extra time and not have the disability than have it. We spent $$$ on their therapy which wasn't covered by our insurance, and years pushing DC to get better grades and scores. I feel awful about that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

If you're going in for life-saving surgery, do you want a doctor who needed the playing field leveled for them?

Presumably, all the doctors have passed their MCATs and got a degree from a reputable medical school having done their residency.

[Anonymous]

Why do you think employers now have so many tests for job applicants? They’re trying to weed out people who need accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think employers now have so many tests for job applicants? They’re trying to weed out people who need accommodations.

+1. They don’t want to hire someone who needs extra time to do everything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that they can be useful in predicting college success, but if we’re going to mandate it back, we must apply it more responsibly so that all prospective students are given a fair shot.

1. Limit attempts to two. I remember taking that thing twice then my mom said, “that’s good enough, that should get you into Davis or something. I’m not gonna keep paying 70-100 bucks for that thing.” I read somewhere that the average Ivy admit takes that thing on average 5x. How is that even impressive? At that point they’re just remembering the test structure and some of the questions. That doesn’t capture what they really know or predict future college success.

2. Either people should get docked for taking expensive SAT prep courses, or make them available to everyone free of charge. If we’re really testing what people have learned, test them, not whatever they learned from some SAT expert.

3. The reading portion is too culturally bias; they need to make it more universal.

4. There should be a small portion where it captures IQ score (this might be controversial).

1. You forgot to get rid of superscoring.

2. Can actually do all the test prep you need online for free.

3. There's no cultural bias that hinders testing. Asian-Americans and East Asians in Asia don't seem to have any trouble.

4. It should be more than a little IQ score for the verbal section. Or just go back to the 1990 verbal section.

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5. Math should go up to precalc at least

6. Any accommodation on the test should require some notation. Doesn't have to say what the accommodation is.

Who do you think is the type of person in east Asia to take the sat and what English do you think they learn? It's the most proper form of English taught outside of the continent, so im not sure what point you thought you were making.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

If you're going in for life-saving surgery, do you want a doctor who needed the playing field leveled for them?

As a person of color, yes-it would be nice to have a doctor responsive to black people. One of the biggest issues we have is this general disdain/ignorance culture of people of color that leads to maternal death, higher rates of malpractice, and many other issues. My best doctors have been block-presumably one has been a beneficiary of affirmative action, but they have improved my quality of life and were board certified like everyone else.

This seriously is only an issue if you don't trust minorities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

If you're going in for life-saving surgery, do you want a doctor who needed the playing field leveled for them?

As a person of color, yes-it would be nice to have a doctor responsive to black people. One of the biggest issues we have is this general disdain/ignorance culture of people of color that leads to maternal death, higher rates of malpractice, and many other issues. My best doctors have been block-presumably one has been a beneficiary of affirmative action, but they have improved my quality of life and were board certified like everyone else.

This seriously is only an issue if you don't trust minorities.

*black, not block, apologies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Either people should get docked for taking expensive SAT prep courses, or make them available to everyone free of charge."

Reasonable. Otherwise you should depend on grades, which we all know are not affected at all by parental income or supplemental tutoring.

SATs are biased toward rich kids, but they are the least biased of any of the other factors considered (school attended, grades, extracurriculars, essays, etc.)

The SAT and ACT are biased toward students who study and do the work. That's it.

Obviously, higher IQ students are going to have an easier time of it. And so are students who have had a good education. One can't do much about IQ, but we can do a lot about ensuring all students get a strong education. And that's where progressives fail.

I have no idea why Democrats have embraced this race to the bottom mentality. It's not doing anyone any good. Progressives are dragging everyone down with their policies in public schools. And then they'll post about how standardized "tesrs" are unfair because they can't even do a basic spell check.

Liberals. You don't have a serious progressive party or influence in your country. There are many much more progressive countries than yours that are excellent at creating public schools with standards. Mind you, the last time your Conservative Party got news of a standardized education system, they called it communism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you think employers now have so many tests for job applicants? They’re trying to weed out people who need accommodations.

+1. They don’t want to hire someone who needs extra time to do everything.

This is true, but college is not the same as employment.

Hopefully, people with certain disabilities aren't trying to go into careers that require skill sets where they have a weakness.

Like, a blind person probably shouldn't become a surgeon, but they can certainly be a lawyer, with reasonable accommodations.

I work in the tech field, and all of the apps we use must have reasonable accessibility options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

But I can ride the elevator, too, so it's not discriminatory.

In many places you cannot. Elevators may have restricted access so unless you are staff or physically disabled they are not available to you. Schools, for example, often have elevators that the general student population is not allowed to use.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

If you're going in for life-saving surgery, do you want a doctor who needed the playing field leveled for them?

My kid just finished his residency. He got extra time on the ACT. He will probably perform surgery on one of you at some point in the future and there's nothing you can do to find out if he had the accommodations. LOLOLOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think employers now have so many tests for job applicants? They’re trying to weed out people who need accommodations.

What employer has tests? I have two kids who recently got jobs and they didn't have to take tests. One is an engineer and the other one works for a big consulting firm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you can take SAT once a year, like APs

all "extra time" are noted on test results.

That's entirely false--extra time hasn't been noted on SAT results since 2002 to prevent discrimination and protect student privacy. Don't post garbage on this site.

Extra time is the very definition of discrimination. And what student privacy when they already judge you based on some combination of name, gender, race, wealth, and family?

That's your opinion. And not a very intelligent one in my opinion. Thankfully, your opinion does not matter, and the guidelines on testing are clear to all. You will not see extra time noted on the SAT, ACT, or GRE.

+1 Disability accomodations are not discriminatory. There is no arguing with someone so stupid that they would frame it as such.

They create different rules for different students based on labels and group membership. The definition of discrimination.

You think it’s discriminatory to have an elevator for wheelchair users? But somehow it’s not discriminatory to only have stairs so wheelchair users just can’t get in? Because that’s the equivalent. It’s about access to material. If my kid has dyslexia and simply cannot read the test fast enough to complete it, giving them extra time to do that task allows them to access the material — reading the test questions. It does not give an unfair advantage, it corrects an existing disadvantage.

+1 It's leveling the playing field for kids who medical professionals have assessed as struggling. Some people on this thread are missing both brains and a functioning value system.

If you're going in for life-saving surgery, do you want a doctor who needed the playing field leveled for them?

My kid just finished his residency. He got extra time on the ACT. He will probably perform surgery on one of you at some point in the future and there's nothing you can do to find out if he had the accommodations. LOLOLOL

Did he get extra time on the MCAT too? If not, the Caribbean med school diploma on his office wall should give it away.