Are we for/against a possible Trump success in brokering a lasting peace btw Palestine ans Israel

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Does anyone actually think Trump has contributed anything of substance to these negotiations? Really?

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Anonymous wrote:If the war ends, I'm for it no matter who pushed it. Could have been Vladimir Putin's idea and I'd be for it.

I'm all for the war ending and children not being killed, but I deeply worry what comes later.

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Anonymous wrote:I would support it. But I also think there’s a 50% chance Trump is the Antichrist and he betrays Israel as part of this.

As a Jewish Democrat, I am not remotely worried about Trump betraying Israel (and I obviously don't believe in the Antichrist) — Israel needed to have ended this war a very long time ago and shouldn't have been conducting it the way it was. I'm thrilled the remaining hostages will come home and that Gaza's civilians won't have to endure more horrific bombing. I don't really see what Trump could even do to betray Israel here, anyway?

They together will betray the Palestinians even if the Hamas follows the plan to the letter and disappears. Israel wants that land by any means necessary. Trump wants his name in gaudy gold lights all over ocean front resorts.

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Israeli rabbi David Bar-Hayim says Trump's Gaza deal is "shameful" and "disastrous for the Jewish people" because the Gaza Strip should have been conquered, ethnically cleansed and resettled by Jews.

He speaks what much of Israeli public currently thinks about Trump's plan.

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Bibi is very close to the Kushners.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone actually think Trump has contributed anything of substance to these negotiations? Really?

I asked this in the other thread about Trump's plan. Was it really his plan? Did he come up with the terms and write it? I find it very hard to believe.

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Anonymous wrote:Bibi is very close to the Kushners.

Bibi's approval rating in Israel is below 40 percent. And Israel is required to have elections this year. Netanyahu and the more sinister ministers will be gone soon enough. I think there's a good chance that peace holds. Israelis will vote for change. It's very unfortunate that Palestinians never embraced democracy after they brought Hamas to power. So whether peace has a chance will depend on the Islamic extremists that run Gaza and their allies in Iran.

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Anonymous wrote:Bibi is very close to the Kushners.

Bibi's approval rating in Israel is below 40 percent. And Israel is required to have elections this year. Netanyahu and the more sinister ministers will be gone soon enough. I think there's a good chance that peace holds. Israelis will vote for change. It's very unfortunate that Palestinians never embraced democracy after they brought Hamas to power. So whether peace has a chance will depend on the Islamic extremists that run Gaza and their allies in Iran.

The only extremists in that part of the world are the Israelis and their family members like you in the US.

Nobody has waged such a brutal war against children—ever.

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Who isnt against ethnic cleansing, genocide, starvation, restrictions on movement, industry, education, healthcare? The reality is just calling a ceasefire isn’t a peace deal. There are many more tangents that need to be agreed upon in order for any meaningful peace deal to happen. I don’t care who is able to achieve it, so long as it is designed to actually give Palestinians in Gaza an actual life as opposed to a prison sentence.

The reality is, Israel needs to do some major PR damage control. So they will agree to insubstantial terms that have no long term impact on the Gazans quality of life, they will provoke an incident and ultimate be back in a few weeks/minths to finish the job blaming the Palestinians for breaching the agreement.

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Israelis are not going to change. The very foundation of the country is based on stealing and blowing up the indigenous population.

Sorry, but I’m not buying this.

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Anonymous wrote:Good grief, OP.

so you feel the need to crowdsource your opinion on this issue because you think it may be a win for Trump?

You have major issues.

If he succeeds, won’t a success solidify position and possibly add to MAGA?

No, because it won't outweigh all the terrible stuff he is doing at home. That's an A in MAGA not an I or P, so MAGA will not focus solely on his foreign policy. His domestic policy is crushing Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:I would support it. But I also think there’s a 50% chance Trump is the Antichrist and he betrays Israel as part of this.

As a Jewish Democrat, I am not remotely worried about Trump betraying Israel (and I obviously don't believe in the Antichrist) — Israel needed to have ended this war a very long time ago and shouldn't have been conducting it the way it was. I'm thrilled the remaining hostages will come home and that Gaza's civilians won't have to endure more horrific bombing. I don't really see what Trump could even do to betray Israel here, anyway?

I think they mean "betray Netanyahu". A lot of people think Netanyahu = Israel, which it of course does not. I believe I read most Israelis don't like him.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course! See, this is the type of question mags folks think is normal but it’s decidedly not.

Um... this unhinged question was not asked by a "mags". It was some dope crowdsourcing his fellow liberal Democrats.

Lmao, sure.

I’m sure that you really believe that, Mr. op.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would support it. But I also think there’s a 50% chance Trump is the Antichrist and he betrays Israel as part of this.

As a Jewish Democrat, I am not remotely worried about Trump betraying Israel (and I obviously don't believe in the Antichrist) — Israel needed to have ended this war a very long time ago and shouldn't have been conducting it the way it was. I'm thrilled the remaining hostages will come home and that Gaza's civilians won't have to endure more horrific bombing. I don't really see what Trump could even do to betray Israel here, anyway?

I think they mean "betray Netanyahu". A lot of people think Netanyahu = Israel, which it of course does not. I believe I read most Israelis don't like him.

Israelis think he is too soft and does not have the stomach to do what needs to be done. In Israel Netanyahu is considered a liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, Israel is a country. Palestine is not a country. Second, Israel will live in peace with the Palestinians. The Palestinians need to stop terrorizing Israel. The Palestinians need to accept that Israel exists and will continue to exist and must move on to form their own nation that lives peacefully next door to Israel. They need to stop aspiring to overthrow Israel so that everyone in the region can live in peace. The idea of "resistance" must be banished to the trash bin of history. Those who support Palestinians must reject the "resistance" and instead encourage the Palestinians build a nation that lives peacefully with all of its neighbors. If you are pro-Palestinian, then really show that you are by helping them form their own peaceful nation instead of focusing on annihilating Israelis.

At the same time, Israel must stop any violent settlors who terrorize Palestinians in Judea and Samaria. This is unacceptable. The settlors must accept that the Palestinians are entitled to live there and at some point will have their own nation.

Wow you really drink the kool-Aid. The time of Israel is over. The Israeli people have shown they too evil to be a state.