Fired today and just need to vent

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is funny I'm sure OP is working in at "at will" state. All you screaming "get a lawyer" are wasting everyones time.

No, the lawyer will ensure she gets some cash. It's not about getting her job back, it's about easing the burden while she looks for a new one. It'll still be cheaper for the firm to pay her for 3 months than to fight it.

OP, don't sign anything!

lol lol In what planet did you get your law degree because it's not planet earth?

[Anonymous]

file for unemployment and move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What did they say when you asked them to expand upon those performance issues? You did ask, right?

This is OP. I was in shock and didn’t say anything except thanks and hung up (Teams call). I did send an email asking for an explanation, because my termination letter just stated the facts of my employment date etc. No response.

I filed for unemployment. It will be okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I started at a firm this spring, worked there for six months. I am pissed at how they did it and caught totally off guard. HR sent an invite for 9 AM with them and a principal at the firm, they jumped right in by saying “due to your performance issues the last few weeks, we’re letting you go.” I got a week’s additional pay. There was ZERO indication of performance issues. I feel gaslit - everything was on track, I did good work, never missed a deadline, was on good terms with people. I know they’re doing it for financial reasons - they’ve vastly missed their financial goals for the year and just yesterday during an account meeting they re-emphasized the firm’s financial precariousness.

Why fired instead of laid off? How long have my project leads known? Everything seemed fine. I turn forty in a month and feel like a failure and a loser.

I'm sorry. I had this happen to me in 2023. I took a job in an adjacent industry and got about 16 months into my new job without any negative comments about my work performance. Until I had my 1 year job review at 16 months and was told out of the blue what a horrible employee I was and that I was going on a 30 day PIP. News flash: It's almost impossible to survive a 30 day PIP. I was summarily fired with zero severance and it took me 23 months to find full time work.

Thankfully I got a new job where they appreciate my skills and background and I'm happy to be there, but if I got stabbed in the back again, I wouldn't keep my mouth shut. I would demand a big severance payment and if they didn't give me one, I'd threaten to sue them. And then I would follow through. Companies hate spending money on lawyers about this crap and I've got enough money to drag this out. I wouldn't let a shitty employer take advantage of me again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What did they say when you asked them to expand upon those performance issues? You did ask, right?

This is OP. I was in shock and didn’t say anything except thanks and hung up (Teams call). I did send an email asking for an explanation, because my termination letter just stated the facts of my employment date etc. No response.

I filed for unemployment. It will be okay.

Did your email state specifically that you were told by HR & the partner that you were being fired for performance related issues ?

This type of documentation probably over-rides "at-will employment" since employer voluntarily stated a reason for your firing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is whole story but OP wants some sympathy so all you have at it!

I've been fired for less. I was fired from catering for not sending in a resignation letter. You only worked when you signed up. If you did not sign up, you were not working.

After a year of me not working any shifts, they fired me for not working a special event that I never signed up to do.

One example of being fired when I did a good job.

NP

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This thread is full of useless whiners

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so sorry OP. Truly. I’d get a consult with an attorney just to be safe.

Oh please. OP sucked at work. End of story.

In some industries in recent years — Big Four accounting, notably — they’ve been inventing performance issues to let people go so they don’t have to announce widespread layoffs. It’s sneaky and ugly.

Whoever said consult an attorney is an idiot though. Don’t waste the money you need while you look for new work.

What is wild is how people rush to think it's the employee at fault. I've seen too many innocent people fired. I never assume the employee is at fault and that the company is some angelic entity.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so sorry OP. Truly. I’d get a consult with an attorney just to be safe.

Oh please. OP sucked at work. End of story.

Nah, if it's only been 6 mos and no documented issues, how badly could OP even have screwed up? Sounds like "first in, first out" to me.

This is OP and I believe this is it. I was hitting deadlines, the projects were moving along, everything was smooth. I wasn’t a big fan of their management style, which was very prescriptive/micro-managey, but every place has its flaws and quirks.

They projected $17m in revenue for the year and will barely hit $12. From my perspective it is hands down a financial decision, they’re just CYA by firing “for cause.” I’m just in shock and it really added insult to injury.

The thing is, if this is the reason, they are fine saying this and laying you off because of it. You have zero case if you are laid off. Can't pay people with money you don't have. Them firing you for cause is actually the option that opens them up to you getting a lawyer.

I agree feels like part of the story is missing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m so sorry OP. Truly. I’d get a consult with an attorney just to be safe.

Oh please. OP sucked at work. End of story.

In some industries in recent years — Big Four accounting, notably — they’ve been inventing performance issues to let people go so they don’t have to announce widespread layoffs. It’s sneaky and ugly.

Whoever said consult an attorney is an idiot though. Don’t waste the money you need while you look for new work.

What is wild is how people rush to think it's the employee at fault. I've seen too many innocent people fired. I never assume the employee is at fault and that the company is some angelic entity.

Same. I've worked at Big 4 and Amazon and seen some of the shadiest crap pulled with really excellent people.

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Anonymous wrote:I started at a firm this spring, worked there for six months. I am pissed at how they did it and caught totally off guard. HR sent an invite for 9 AM with them and a principal at the firm, they jumped right in by saying “due to your performance issues the last few weeks, we’re letting you go.” I got a week’s additional pay. There was ZERO indication of performance issues. I feel gaslit - everything was on track, I did good work, never missed a deadline, was on good terms with people. I know they’re doing it for financial reasons - they’ve vastly missed their financial goals for the year and just yesterday during an account meeting they re-emphasized the firm’s financial precariousness.

Why fired instead of laid off? How long have my project leads known? Everything seemed fine. I turn forty in a month and feel like a failure and a loser.

Sorry OP. That's standard practice in corporate America. We don't have humanity in this country. It's unfortunate. You are just a number in an excel spreadsheet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I started at a firm this spring, worked there for six months. I am pissed at how they did it and caught totally off guard. HR sent an invite for 9 AM with them and a principal at the firm, they jumped right in by saying “due to your performance issues the last few weeks, we’re letting you go.” I got a week’s additional pay. There was ZERO indication of performance issues. I feel gaslit - everything was on track, I did good work, never missed a deadline, was on good terms with people. I know they’re doing it for financial reasons - they’ve vastly missed their financial goals for the year and just yesterday during an account meeting they re-emphasized the firm’s financial precariousness.

Why fired instead of laid off? How long have my project leads known? Everything seemed fine. I turn forty in a month and feel like a failure and a loser.

So sorry, OP. In response to your question about how far in advance people knew, I worked at a company that had financial trouble and did layoffs. Only the bean counters and very top management were involved in deciding who to let go. Managers/directors had no advance knowledge until HR was already processing the action.

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Anonymous wrote:To be honest you are under 40 and not a protective class and they hired you when you were this age already so kinda hard to say it is age related.

What difference does it make if fired or laid off? You are URA (unregretted attrition either way). Time to move on. File for unemployment today.

Dont waste energy and move forward

It isn’t age discrimination because they hired her 6 months ago knowing her age.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is funny I'm sure OP is working in at "at will" state. All you screaming "get a lawyer" are wasting everyone’s time.

+1. they said, according to OP, that she was being fired “for performance issues over the past few weeks”. Of course they have documentation- they aren’t required to
present it to her. And, yes, I’m attorney. Consult all you want but I don’t see a case and it’s doubtful a lawyer is going to take this on in an at-will state. OP admits it “was a bad fit” so there is a story here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you were probably still a probationary employee and they decided to end it now.

This is likely it.

OP, file for unemployment tomorrow but be aware that they may contest it.

Best of luck in your job search.