Aka Charlie Sheen Documentary

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I did not realize until today and this chain that Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez are brothers ?!?!?!

Oh, honey.

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Anonymous wrote:Denise had a reality show a long time ago that I watched and her parents were in it. I remember how likeable, normal and loving she came across, like someone I would want to be friends with or live in my neighborhood. I can’t remember what it was called or what channel it was on (probably E) but it seemed to take place after her divorce and while she was helping care for her father.

I loved that show. It was on E and she had a bunch of animals. Her mother had cancer, maybe leukemia, for a number of years before passing. Both parents and her sister were so down to earth and I think really gave a lot of emotional support that Denise needed during those post-divorce years.

Denise gets a lot of crap online from Bravo fans, but that show, taking care of Charlie and Brooke’s kids, inviting Charlie’s escorts to Thanksgiving, etc, show that Denise is truly a kind and generous woman.

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Anonymous wrote:After thinking about the documentary a lot I have no doubt that Charlie is a narcissist, but who isn't in Hollywood?

I think his Dad and Emilio choose not to participate because in the past he's hated his Dad being public about his drug use, plus they may have thought this was a bad idea. I can't see how it wouldn't be triggering to relive some of that.

The folks that really care about him are, probably the nicest way to put this, also codependent. Meaning they want to be sucked into the black hole trying to save him. He's very, very charming so I see why.

As for his trauma - it sounds like Apoloclypse Now really screwed up Martin in front of Charlie. Denise's theory was that fear of failure was the self-sabotage. Maybe comes from the failing high school.

Didn’t Charlie have an education related disability?

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Anonymous wrote:After thinking about the documentary a lot I have no doubt that Charlie is a narcissist, but who isn't in Hollywood?

I think his Dad and Emilio choose not to participate because in the past he's hated his Dad being public about his drug use, plus they may have thought this was a bad idea. I can't see how it wouldn't be triggering to relive some of that.

The folks that really care about him are, probably the nicest way to put this, also codependent. Meaning they want to be sucked into the black hole trying to save him. He's very, very charming so I see why.

As for his trauma - it sounds like Apoloclypse Now really screwed up Martin in front of Charlie. Denise's theory was that fear of failure was the self-sabotage. Maybe comes from the failing high school.

Didn’t Charlie have an education related disability?

He didn't say so in the documentary, but could be. He never graduated from high school.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After thinking about the documentary a lot I have no doubt that Charlie is a narcissist, but who isn't in Hollywood?

I think his Dad and Emilio choose not to participate because in the past he's hated his Dad being public about his drug use, plus they may have thought this was a bad idea. I can't see how it wouldn't be triggering to relive some of that.

The folks that really care about him are, probably the nicest way to put this, also codependent. Meaning they want to be sucked into the black hole trying to save him. He's very, very charming so I see why.

As for his trauma - it sounds like Apoloclypse Now really screwed up Martin in front of Charlie. Denise's theory was that fear of failure was the self-sabotage. Maybe comes from the failing high school.

Didn’t Charlie have an education related disability?

He didn't say so in the documentary, but could be. He never graduated from high school.

I guess they awarded him the degree in 2013. It was something that bothered him that he never finished.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I did not realize until today and this chain that Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez are brothers ?!?!?!

How old are you?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was an edit function…, I meant to say lost his virginity at 15 to a prostitute in Vegas. Not normal.

Well that is sad. I wonder who took him?

It might explain why he used commercial sex workers later in life. That was his introduction to sex!

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was an edit function…, I meant to say lost his virginity at 15 to a prostitute in Vegas. Not normal.

Well that is sad. I wonder who took him?

It might explain why he used commercial sex workers later in life. That was his introduction to sex!

He mentioned it so off-handedly, as an example of how he really respects sex workers, and appreciates how he lost his virginity to one. I was appalled that wasn't like a record scratch moment, and that isn't something that he's unpacked a little in therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish there was an edit function…, I meant to say lost his virginity at 15 to a prostitute in Vegas. Not normal.

Well that is sad. I wonder who took him?

It might explain why he used commercial sex workers later in life. That was his introduction to sex!

He mentioned it so off-handedly, as an example of how he really respects sex workers, and appreciates how he lost his virginity to one. I was appalled that wasn't like a record scratch moment, and that isn't something that he's unpacked a little in therapy.

Wasn't he hanging out with other celebrity kids like Sean Penn? Maybe not uncommon.

I know my ex, poor working class NYC his Uncle offered to pay for a sex worker to take his V card in the 90s. I also wouldn't be surprised if he did...

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Anonymous wrote:Denise had a reality show a long time ago that I watched and her parents were in it. I remember how likeable, normal and loving she came across, like someone I would want to be friends with or live in my neighborhood. I can’t remember what it was called or what channel it was on (probably E) but it seemed to take place after her divorce and while she was helping care for her father.

I loved that show. It was on E and she had a bunch of animals. Her mother had cancer, maybe leukemia, for a number of years before passing. Both parents and her sister were so down to earth and I think really gave a lot of emotional support that Denise needed during those post-divorce years.

Denise gets a lot of crap online from Bravo fans, but that show, taking care of Charlie and Brooke’s kids, inviting Charlie’s escorts to Thanksgiving, etc, show that Denise is truly a kind and generous woman.

No she’s a crappy mother

She didn’t educate her kids she taught them how to be only fans

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Denise had a reality show a long time ago that I watched and her parents were in it. I remember how likeable, normal and loving she came across, like someone I would want to be friends with or live in my neighborhood. I can’t remember what it was called or what channel it was on (probably E) but it seemed to take place after her divorce and while she was helping care for her father.

I loved that show. It was on E and she had a bunch of animals. Her mother had cancer, maybe leukemia, for a number of years before passing. Both parents and her sister were so down to earth and I think really gave a lot of emotional support that Denise needed during those post-divorce years.

Denise gets a lot of crap online from Bravo fans, but that show, taking care of Charlie and Brooke’s kids, inviting Charlie’s escorts to Thanksgiving, etc, show that Denise is truly a kind and generous woman.

No she’s a crappy mother

She didn’t educate her kids she taught them how to be only fans

The crappy mother is Brooke.

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On a non serious note, I really liked all the music and was pleasantly surprised to find someone had already made a playlist on Spotify of the soundtrack in case any one else was interested.

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Anonymous wrote:Brooke Mueller looks and sounds like she’s so high in every interview. I feel terrible for their twins to have two crack head parents. Even if both are “sober”, their brains seem so fried from past drug use.

And the drug dealer being painted like a good guy, his best friend, and the reason he became sober because he lessened the potency of the crack he sold him. WTF?

Charlie Sheen is a classic addict. Unfortunately I have multiple substance abuse addicts in my close family and Sheen is exactly the same. So charismatic, can charm almost anyone, narcissistic, so convincing, but for those closest to him, who have a regular close relationship, he sucks the life right out of you and pulls you into their hurricane of chaos and not caring. He’s not a great guy.

THIS!!!

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Anonymous wrote:He ruined a lot of people and they don’t get a book or documentary. I won’t be watching this.

I don't remember thus part - who did he ruin?

Your mum

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Anonymous wrote:Brooke Mueller looks and sounds like she’s so high in every interview. I feel terrible for their twins to have two crack head parents. Even if both are “sober”, their brains seem so fried from past drug use.

And the drug dealer being painted like a good guy, his best friend, and the reason he became sober because he lessened the potency of the crack he sold him. WTF?

Charlie Sheen is a classic addict. Unfortunately I have multiple substance abuse addicts in my close family and Sheen is exactly the same. So charismatic, can charm almost anyone, narcissistic, so convincing, but for those closest to him, who have a regular close relationship, he sucks the life right out of you and pulls you into their hurricane of chaos and not caring. He’s not a great guy.

Sure, but the docuseries essentially demonstrates that he is sober and has been for quite some time. Interviews and articles in other outlets as he promotes the series demonstrate he’s very close with his father, brothers, etc. as well as with Denise and even Brooke.

Re: the segment with his friend/dealer - Isn’t that just a restatement of facts? If that’s what he did to ween him off, then that’s a fact. It’s not a lie or sugarcoating, it’s just his truth. And isn’t that the point of the series?

I think Denise was put through Hell by him but she seemed committed to doing whatever she could to keep him alive. She’s a saint imho. And hearing her say she still loves him tracks.

Brooke is obviously impaired due to years of heavy drug use, but she’s also had some cosmetic stuff that seems to have impacted her mouth and speech. I wonder if she also has fake teeth.