AI detectors - warning

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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Or, you could just let them be the kid they’re physically and logistically able to be without relying on AI to do their thinking for them. If they’re cutting corners on writing essays, I can only assume they’re cutting corners on some of the other stuff, too. Not so much overwhelmed, as “overwhelmed.”

The problem I have with it is that schools create a system that begs to be gamed. Example:

The Why Us essay- kids in “the know” are told to dig into the school’s website/online info to post things very specific about the school. Such a farce bc that is NOT why the kid wants the school. That is simply giving the school what they want in the answer but it is absolutely not genuine.

Well of course the schools want to admit people who genuinely want to come there. If your kid’s genuine answer doesn’t convey that then maybe they shouldn’t apply there. Cut one off your list and now there are fewer essays to write!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Or, you could just let them be the kid they’re physically and logistically able to be without relying on AI to do their thinking for them. If they’re cutting corners on writing essays, I can only assume they’re cutting corners on some of the other stuff, too. Not so much overwhelmed, as “overwhelmed.”

The problem I have with it is that schools create a system that begs to be gamed. Example:

The Why Us essay- kids in “the know” are told to dig into the school’s website/online info to post things very specific about the school. Such a farce bc that is NOT why the kid wants the school. That is simply giving the school what they want in the answer but it is absolutely not genuine.

Well of course the schools want to admit people who genuinely want to come there. If your kid’s genuine answer doesn’t convey that then maybe they shouldn’t apply there. Cut one off your list and now there are fewer essays to write!

You misunderstand. A kid who wants to go to NYU because it is a prestigious school located in Manhattan is a kid who genuinely wants to go to NYU. But kids are trained not to say that in their “why NYU” essay. They are supposed to say they want to study some random esoteric subject with some professor they’ve never met, who may transfer to a different college before they get there.

[Anonymous]

Maybe you should do some research into where you send your child to school that they don’t know grammar by 12th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Life is about choices. Make different ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe you should do some research into where you send your child to school that they don’t know grammar by 12th grade.

Sorry, what? That makes no sense. Maybe check your grammar or word choice?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Or, you could just let them be the kid they’re physically and logistically able to be without relying on AI to do their thinking for them. If they’re cutting corners on writing essays, I can only assume they’re cutting corners on some of the other stuff, too. Not so much overwhelmed, as “overwhelmed.”

The problem I have with it is that schools create a system that begs to be gamed. Example:

The Why Us essay- kids in “the know” are told to dig into the school’s website/online info to post things very specific about the school. Such a farce bc that is NOT why the kid wants the school. That is simply giving the school what they want in the answer but it is absolutely not genuine.

Well of course the schools want to admit people who genuinely want to come there. If your kid’s genuine answer doesn’t convey that then maybe they shouldn’t apply there. Cut one off your list and now there are fewer essays to write!

You misunderstand. A kid who wants to go to NYU because it is a prestigious school located in Manhattan is a kid who genuinely wants to go to NYU. But kids are trained not to say that in their “why NYU” essay. They are supposed to say they want to study some random esoteric subject with some professor they’ve never met, who may transfer to a different college before they get there.

I don’t misunderstand at all. Stop fixating on what you think they’re “supposed to say.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Life is about choices. Make different ones.

You do understand that honest people opting out will mean that nearly all the kids left in the applicant pool at elite schools are kids who use AI to write their essays and do their homework.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Life is about choices. Make different ones.

You do understand that honest people opting out will mean that nearly all the kids left in the applicant pool at elite schools are kids who use AI to write their essays and do their homework.

Who cares? Why are you people so hung up on the same schools? Spend your money on your own therapy to find out why you’re so anxious and insecure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our advisor said some universities are moving to blue books for essays in the next 1-3 years. Applicants will have to show all essay work from start to finish in a blue book and submit it upon request along with signed honor code at the end of the final draft essay saying the work is 100% their own. Advisor said chances are it won’t be requested but my kid is still freaking out over it.

Are you referring to essay exams written while in college? Or admissions essays? I have already gone back to in person paper and pencil tests for my students for the most part. I'm fine if they use AI to study, but at some point you've got to demonstrate mastery yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why any kid needs to use AI at all to write this essay. Not Grammarly, not Claude, not anything. Just write the essay and ask another human to proofread or give feedback.

Because kids are applying to 15 schools, which means they have 30+ essays to write. This is on top of doing day to day school work for 6 APs (need to get an A — no A-), leadership in a club, volunteer work outside of school, varsity sport, etc. These kids are overwhelmed.

Life is about choices. Make different ones.

You do understand that honest people opting out will mean that nearly all the kids left in the applicant pool at elite schools are kids who use AI to write their essays and do their homework.

Cool, let’s see how long they can remain “elite” with that.

You’re fanning flames, then complaining that the fire’s gotten too big.

[Anonymous]

Is there anywhere "safe" for a student to check without the uploading causing AI generation flagging itself? Can one just load essay into chatGPT and ask, or are there other apps that are better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there anywhere "safe" for a student to check without the uploading causing AI generation flagging itself? Can one just load essay into chatGPT and ask, or are there other apps that are better?

You don't upload to GPT to check for AI. OMG.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there anywhere "safe" for a student to check without the uploading causing AI generation flagging itself? Can one just load essay into chatGPT and ask, or are there other apps that are better?

You don't upload to GPT to check for AI. OMG.

Stupid question, but why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there anywhere "safe" for a student to check without the uploading causing AI generation flagging itself? Can one just load essay into chatGPT and ask, or are there other apps that are better?

You don't upload to GPT to check for AI. OMG.

Stupid question, but why not?

GPT is not a AI checker. It manufactures AI. It will hallucinate and tell you there's no AI when there is.

There are separate platforms for checking. Many were named earlier -
the best are: Originality, GPTZero, zerogpt, and WalterAI. The OP mentioned one I'd never heard of but apparently schools now use it in addition to Turnitin bc it's the most reliable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there anywhere "safe" for a student to check without the uploading causing AI generation flagging itself? Can one just load essay into chatGPT and ask, or are there other apps that are better?

You don't upload to GPT to check for AI. OMG.

Stupid question, but why not?

GPT is not a AI checker. It manufactures AI. It will hallucinate and tell you there's no AI when there is.

There are separate platforms for checking. Many were named earlier -
the best are: Originality, GPTZero, zerogpt, and WalterAI. The OP mentioned one I'd never heard of but apparently schools now use it in addition to Turnitin bc it's the most reliable?

Thank you for this. We always fear that uploading and checking adds another data point which ends up flagging an original essay as AI-generated. Would these apps do that? The OP seems to allude to the fact that some of these apps would do just that.