Anyone fired for failing to RTO?

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Anonymous wrote:I would have but luckily had enough leave to get by until my religious accommodation was approved.

What religion requires an exemption?

You only get the accommodation if you already know. Telework is for the patriots and the faithful which is why appointees are all at home along with the churchgoing new hires. It's all about lording it over the liberal fed employees while actual work gets done.

Yeah why should appointees be in office? They are special and nothing will happen to them.

There's no CBA so everything is based on management decree. The appointees and SES decided they can telework but regular employees cannot. I believe the military refers to this policy as officers eat first.

After 39 years in the military, USMC enlisted and Army commissioned officer, I have never heard "officers eat first" - in fact its the opposite. And I doubt you have ever "served" based upon you disparaging generalization.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have but luckily had enough leave to get by until my religious accommodation was approved.

What religion requires an exemption?

You only get the accommodation if you already know. Telework is for the patriots and the faithful which is why appointees are all at home along with the churchgoing new hires. It's all about lording it over the liberal fed employees while actual work gets done.

Yeah why should appointees be in office? They are special and nothing will happen to them.

There's no CBA so everything is based on management decree. The appointees and SES decided they can telework but regular employees cannot. I believe the military refers to this policy as officers eat first.

After 39 years in the military, USMC enlisted and Army commissioned officer, I have never heard "officers eat first" - in fact its the opposite. And I doubt you have ever "served" based upon you disparaging generalization.

I think thats PPs point. The custom is enlisted eat first but if youre an AH of an officer you disregard that which is essentially what these political appointees are doing, taking special privileges and denying them to their staff.

[Anonymous]

State Dept gave extensions to people who couldn’t find fed office space near their residence (at least to some people).

[Anonymous]

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I think thats PPs point. The custom is enlisted eat first but if youre an AH of an officer you disregard that which is essentially what these political appointees are doing, taking special privileges and denying them to their staff.

They might be on to something.

At my work all the 15s/SES get a free pass to play by big boy rules. They come and go when they want. They leave around 1500 to beat traffic. They all have offices with cable TVs where they can shut the door and work. All of them have cell phones with teams/email. Most are retired or former Mil Officers. Only the worker bees get to sit at their cubes for 9 hours a day.

Now, the 15s/SeS are probably working late at home and answering emails at all hours of the day. But my take is there are two sets of rules going on.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have but luckily had enough leave to get by until my religious accommodation was approved.

What religion requires an exemption?

You only get the accommodation if you already know. Telework is for the patriots and the faithful which is why appointees are all at home along with the churchgoing new hires. It's all about lording it over the liberal fed employees while actual work gets done.

Yeah why should appointees be in office? They are special and nothing will happen to them.

There's no CBA so everything is based on management decree. The appointees and SES decided they can telework but regular employees cannot. I believe the military refers to this policy as officers eat first.

After 39 years in the military, USMC enlisted and Army commissioned officer, I have never heard "officers eat first" - in fact its the opposite. And I doubt you have ever "served" based upon you disparaging generalization.

I think thats PPs point. The custom is enlisted eat first but if youre an AH of an officer you disregard that which is essentially what these political appointees are doing, taking special privileges and denying them to their staff.

+1, I've heard the saying and it's not complimentary. Leaders put others first.
I've also heard the farming variant "he's eating before the stock is fed," again not a compliment.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have but luckily had enough leave to get by until my religious accommodation was approved.

What religion requires an exemption?

You only get the accommodation if you already know. Telework is for the patriots and the faithful which is why appointees are all at home along with the churchgoing new hires. It's all about lording it over the liberal fed employees while actual work gets done.

Churchgoing fed here. My faith doesn't require fasting, or praying on specific days, but it does require acts of service. RTO has legitimately reduced my ability to help people in my community (e.g., I was driving for a member with an illness, and now I can't because of all the time I spend commuting). I am confident an exception would not be approved and I am not planning to try - not interested in getting myself or my church on some list. But it's infuriating because a lot of us "liberal fed employees" are people of faith whose practice is actually affected.

That's unfortunate. A few months ago I was stuck on I95 when my Stanley water bottle burst into flames and told me Jesus wants me to humbly pray in private for 5 minutes of each daylight hour. I had no choice but to file a religious telework accommodation.

NP. Thanks for the laugh. I really want to use that one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is obsessed with the fiction that people are not complying. It's the Bigfoot of the jobs forum.

Agreed. Those who want to keep their jobs comply. A small fraction quit or actively don’t comply to the extent they are supposed to comply, but most people try to at least comply enough to not get spoken to about it or fired.

[Anonymous]

DH had to write the first PIP of his 30 year career this week over time and attendance.

There’s only one person on his team who is flagrantly disregarding RTO. If he doesn’t handle the situation, the rest of the team is probably going to kill him.

It’s not just like she is requesting “excessive” intermittent telework, or she’s coming in a little late or leaving a little early to get her kids. He would turn a blind eye to that. It’s more like she just doesn’t show up. Even on days when there is a mandatory all-hands meeting.

No one loves coming in everyday, but this is what’s tanking morale.

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A PIP for this is silly and unnecessary. If someone doesn’t show up they are AWOL. Charge them Leave. If they have no Leave, LWOP.

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Anonymous wrote:A PIP for this is silly and unnecessary. If someone doesn’t show up they are AWOL. Charge them Leave. If they have no Leave, LWOP.

Agreed. And can terminate directly if excessive unauthorized leave taking - by itself that justifies direct termination.

PP's spouse should talk with HR and should be terminating rather than doing a PIP.

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Anonymous wrote:
I think thats PPs point. The custom is enlisted eat first but if youre an AH of an officer you disregard that which is essentially what these political appointees are doing, taking special privileges and denying them to their staff.

They might be on to something.

At my work all the 15s/SES get a free pass to play by big boy rules. They come and go when they want. They leave around 1500 to beat traffic. They all have offices with cable TVs where they can shut the door and work. All of them have cell phones with teams/email. Most are retired or former Mil Officers. Only the worker bees get to sit at their cubes for 9 hours a day.

Now, the 15s/SeS are probably working late at home and answering emails at all hours of the day. But my take is there are two sets of rules going on.

Maybe at your agency. I’m a 15 acting as an SES because my SES took the fork and every DC-based SES not on leave was in a conference room yesterday morning for our weekly SET meeting. I am in that building for precisely 8.5 hours a day every day I am scheduled to work and not one red hot minute longer. I have a gliding schedule, so if I swipe in at 7:42, I swipe right back out at 4:12. In the before times, I’d check email after dinner, log on before my TOD and read relevant articles with my coffee, check my work phone on weekends…no more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH had to write the first PIP of his 30 year career this week over time and attendance.

There’s only one person on his team who is flagrantly disregarding RTO. If he doesn’t handle the situation, the rest of the team is probably going to kill him.

It’s not just like she is requesting “excessive” intermittent telework, or she’s coming in a little late or leaving a little early to get her kids. He would turn a blind eye to that. It’s more like she just doesn’t show up. Even on days when there is a mandatory all-hands meeting.

No one loves coming in everyday, but this is what’s tanking morale.

Fed manager here. This is not a PIP issue (performance)- this would be a disciplinary/ conduct issue. They’re handled separately and differently. With a PIP you have to improve performance. With a conduct warning and then suspension you can be fired for continuing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DH had to write the first PIP of his 30 year career this week over time and attendance.

There’s only one person on his team who is flagrantly disregarding RTO. If he doesn’t handle the situation, the rest of the team is probably going to kill him.

It’s not just like she is requesting “excessive” intermittent telework, or she’s coming in a little late or leaving a little early to get her kids. He would turn a blind eye to that. It’s more like she just doesn’t show up. Even on days when there is a mandatory all-hands meeting.

No one loves coming in everyday, but this is what’s tanking morale.

Very nice of your husband to go about it the wrong way so the employee doesn't lose their job over RTO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really curious because downtown DC remains a ghost town.

No one where I used to work downtown goes out of the building anymore because they track badge swipes.

They don’t go to happy hour anymore because DC helped to force RTO. Why feed your enemies?

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Anonymous wrote:Really curious because downtown DC remains a ghost town.

No one where I used to work downtown goes out of the building anymore because they track badge swipes.

They don’t go to happy hour anymore because DC helped to force RTO. Why feed your enemies?

My dh has even stopped going for a walk during lunch outside the building for this reason. And, no need to stick around watching the national guard afterwork, not that we can afford drinking or eating out anymore.