FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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Anonymous wrote:You could immediately fix the MS transfer situation by either instituting AAP at all MS so there is no longer a need for MS AAP centers, or by ending the MS AAP program and putting in more sections of honors courses instead. That immediately fixes the situation at Carson, LB Middle, and Rocky Run.

It also fixes Key/Lewis and crowding at Lake Braddock.

If you are in bounds for Key/Lewis and in MS AAP at Lake Braddock, can you stay at LB for HS? I would assume you’d claim the IB to AP transfer reason, but would they allow you to stay at LB, or would you have to go to a different school instead for that (I’d imagine Hayfield is the closest?)

End MS AAP centers, and end IB county-wide, maybe leaving it at 2 HS to allow for students who want it to transfer to those schools. That alone would solve so many problems. No AAP transfers past ES, and far fewer HS transfers to get AP classes instead of IB. You’d still have the language loophole, but perhaps if 20 students at Key/Lewis suddenly expressed interest in French or German or what have you, they would send a teacher over there to fill that need. Equitable access!

In that scenario it would be Hayfield. You wouldn’t be a allowed to stay at LB past middle.

Lake Braddock had 542 transfers into the school last year.

Since almost all of the WSHS AAP kids go back to WSHS, at least some of those 542 kids would have to be Lewis AAP students.

FCPS’s slides say it’s 252 into LBMS and 293 into LBHS. The 252 at the 7-8 level has to be almost all Key MS AAP. Where are the 293 in grades 9-12 coming from? Are they IB transfers from Robinson and/or Annandale? That’s a lot of kids if so. Robinson has a good rep too, about the same as LB. So if kids are transferring out of Robinson for AP at LB, that’s another not great sign for IB.

87 from Annandale.
32 from Lewis
85 from Robinson

[Anonymous]

Yes, Lewis kids, including AAP, do transfer to LB for high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You could immediately fix the MS transfer situation by either instituting AAP at all MS so there is no longer a need for MS AAP centers, or by ending the MS AAP program and putting in more sections of honors courses instead. That immediately fixes the situation at Carson, LB Middle, and Rocky Run.

It also fixes Key/Lewis and crowding at Lake Braddock.

If you are in bounds for Key/Lewis and in MS AAP at Lake Braddock, can you stay at LB for HS? I would assume you’d claim the IB to AP transfer reason, but would they allow you to stay at LB, or would you have to go to a different school instead for that (I’d imagine Hayfield is the closest?)

End MS AAP centers, and end IB county-wide, maybe leaving it at 2 HS to allow for students who want it to transfer to those schools. That alone would solve so many problems. No AAP transfers past ES, and far fewer HS transfers to get AP classes instead of IB. You’d still have the language loophole, but perhaps if 20 students at Key/Lewis suddenly expressed interest in French or German or what have you, they would send a teacher over there to fill that need. Equitable access!

In that scenario it would be Hayfield. You wouldn’t be a allowed to stay at LB past middle.

Lake Braddock had 542 transfers into the school last year.

Since almost all of the WSHS AAP kids go back to WSHS, at least some of those 542 kids would have to be Lewis AAP students.

FCPS’s slides say it’s 252 into LBMS and 293 into LBHS. The 252 at the 7-8 level has to be almost all Key MS AAP. Where are the 293 in grades 9-12 coming from? Are they IB transfers from Robinson and/or Annandale? That’s a lot of kids if so. Robinson has a good rep too, about the same as LB. So if kids are transferring out of Robinson for AP at LB, that’s another not great sign for IB.

87 from Annandale.
32 from Lewis
85 from Robinson

Yeah they really just need to stick a fork in IB apart from maybe keeping 2 magnet programs that kids can elect to attend. It’s done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the data in this presentation is crap.

It has no value being lumped all in one general number, from Kinder through 12th grade.

At a minimum, the data should have been separated between elementary, middle school and high school.

Almost all of the high school transfers are due to people escaping bad schools using the AP/IB loophole.

That would be the number one transfer reason at high schools, followed by foreign language transfers.

Putting the 3 levels all together completely hides the biggest elephant in the room, which is the failure of IB.

People are unhappy about elementary schools getting rezoned, but REALLY furious about high schools getting rezoned.

The high school data needs to be isolated in order to provide any value whatsoever

Very good point. Yeah, this should be broken down by transfer reason and school. Hopefully the BRAC has seen that level of detail.

Talk to a BRAC member who actually cares and they’ll tell you the requests for better, more granular data are routinely ignored and rebuffed. That’s another reason why they stuffed the BRAC with a bunch of other “friendly faces” who’ll just go along with whatever Reid and the School Board want to do.

WTF, Are you serious? This if the committee that’s supposed to be offering priorities and suggested maps. How can it do anything if its data requests are routinely ignored?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the data in this presentation is crap.

It has no value being lumped all in one general number, from Kinder through 12th grade.

At a minimum, the data should have been separated between elementary, middle school and high school.

Almost all of the high school transfers are due to people escaping bad schools using the AP/IB loophole.

That would be the number one transfer reason at high schools, followed by foreign language transfers.

Putting the 3 levels all together completely hides the biggest elephant in the room, which is the failure of IB.

People are unhappy about elementary schools getting rezoned, but REALLY furious about high schools getting rezoned.

The high school data needs to be isolated in order to provide any value whatsoever

Very good point. Yeah, this should be broken down by transfer reason and school. Hopefully the BRAC has seen that level of detail.

Talk to a BRAC member who actually cares and they’ll tell you the requests for better, more granular data are routinely ignored and rebuffed. That’s another reason why they stuffed the BRAC with a bunch of other “friendly faces” who’ll just go along with whatever Reid and the School Board want to do.

WTF, Are you serious? This if the committee that’s supposed to be offering priorities and suggested maps. How can it do anything if its data requests are routinely ignored?

This is what they do, they stack the board and every committee with checked out yes men who will rubber stamp everything. Were you here during Covid? The SB student rep for that year was the only one who asked any good questions and made any sense and he got a bunch of “bugghhhh I don’t know” type responses from all the actual adults in the room.

This is going to be a tremendously flawed process. The best hope at this point is they shelve the whole thing, realizing that they are in over their heads since they haven’t considered the transfer situation or the possibility of changing programs/changing AAP at the MS level in order to alleviate some overcrowding. The consultants walk away with a bunch of money and FCPS looks silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the data in this presentation is crap.

It has no value being lumped all in one general number, from Kinder through 12th grade.

At a minimum, the data should have been separated between elementary, middle school and high school.

Almost all of the high school transfers are due to people escaping bad schools using the AP/IB loophole.

That would be the number one transfer reason at high schools, followed by foreign language transfers.

Putting the 3 levels all together completely hides the biggest elephant in the room, which is the failure of IB.

People are unhappy about elementary schools getting rezoned, but REALLY furious about high schools getting rezoned.

The high school data needs to be isolated in order to provide any value whatsoever

Very good point. Yeah, this should be broken down by transfer reason and school. Hopefully the BRAC has seen that level of detail.

Talk to a BRAC member who actually cares and they’ll tell you the requests for better, more granular data are routinely ignored and rebuffed. That’s another reason why they stuffed the BRAC with a bunch of other “friendly faces” who’ll just go along with whatever Reid and the School Board want to do.

WTF, Are you serious? This if the committee that’s supposed to be offering priorities and suggested maps. How can it do anything if its data requests are routinely ignored?

They are asked to provide feedback and priorities during BRAC meetings based on the information that FCPS staff and Thru Consulting chooses to share with them.

If they request additional data, those requests are typically ignored or addressed in a perfunctory manner that isn't particularly responsive.

If you're a BRAC member who was selected because FCPS thought you'd be a "friendly" supporter of whatever Reid and the School Board want to do, you either won't bother to ask for more data or won't be bothered when they largely ignore you.

On the other hand, some of the other BRAC members (randomly selected to represent a pyramid or members that FCPS allowed FairFACTS Matters to designate) have asked for more data and they aren't happy with the lack of responsiveness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could immediately fix the MS transfer situation by either instituting AAP at all MS so there is no longer a need for MS AAP centers, or by ending the MS AAP program and putting in more sections of honors courses instead. That immediately fixes the situation at Carson, LB Middle, and Rocky Run.

It also fixes Key/Lewis and crowding at Lake Braddock.

If you are in bounds for Key/Lewis and in MS AAP at Lake Braddock, can you stay at LB for HS? I would assume you’d claim the IB to AP transfer reason, but would they allow you to stay at LB, or would you have to go to a different school instead for that (I’d imagine Hayfield is the closest?)

End MS AAP centers, and end IB county-wide, maybe leaving it at 2 HS to allow for students who want it to transfer to those schools. That alone would solve so many problems. No AAP transfers past ES, and far fewer HS transfers to get AP classes instead of IB. You’d still have the language loophole, but perhaps if 20 students at Key/Lewis suddenly expressed interest in French or German or what have you, they would send a teacher over there to fill that need. Equitable access!

In that scenario it would be Hayfield. You wouldn’t be a allowed to stay at LB past middle.

Lake Braddock had 542 transfers into the school last year.

Since almost all of the WSHS AAP kids go back to WSHS, at least some of those 542 kids would have to be Lewis AAP students.

FCPS’s slides say it’s 252 into LBMS and 293 into LBHS. The 252 at the 7-8 level has to be almost all Key MS AAP. Where are the 293 in grades 9-12 coming from? Are they IB transfers from Robinson and/or Annandale? That’s a lot of kids if so. Robinson has a good rep too, about the same as LB. So if kids are transferring out of Robinson for AP at LB, that’s another not great sign for IB.

According to the transfer dashboard, 293 kids transferred into Lake Braddock High School (9th-12th) last year:

From:

Annandale 87 students
Robinson 85 students
West Springfield 39 students
Lewis 32 students
Hayfield 23 students
South County 10 students

Mount Vernon, Centreville, Fairfax, Edison, Woodson, Justice, Falls Church, Westfields, and South Lakes all had low single digit transfers in, likely teachers kids or Ft. Belvoir resident transfers.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2024-25StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

Interestingly, the dashboard shows only 1 Lewis student transferred into WSHS last year. That number is without a doubt much higher.

58 transfers into West Springfield, which is closed to transfers. Their numbers don't add up

From

South County 20 students
Lake Braddock 12 students

Justice, Annandale, Lewis, Edison, WestPo, Mount Vernon, Robinson, Westfield, Hayfield all show as 1 transfer into WSHS, 9 total students transferring in from those schools according to the transfer dashboard.

20+12+9 = 41 transfers into WSHS. The total number of transfers into WSHS according to the dashboard is 58 students. That is a 17 student difference. Why are the numbers so different? Did I miss a school from the map?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but the data in this presentation is crap.

It has no value being lumped all in one general number, from Kinder through 12th grade.

At a minimum, the data should have been separated between elementary, middle school and high school.

Almost all of the high school transfers are due to people escaping bad schools using the AP/IB loophole.

That would be the number one transfer reason at high schools, followed by foreign language transfers.

Putting the 3 levels all together completely hides the biggest elephant in the room, which is the failure of IB.

People are unhappy about elementary schools getting rezoned, but REALLY furious about high schools getting rezoned.

The high school data needs to be isolated in order to provide any value whatsoever

Very good point. Yeah, this should be broken down by transfer reason and school. Hopefully the BRAC has seen that level of detail.

Talk to a BRAC member who actually cares and they’ll tell you the requests for better, more granular data are routinely ignored and rebuffed. That’s another reason why they stuffed the BRAC with a bunch of other “friendly faces” who’ll just go along with whatever Reid and the School Board want to do.

WTF, Are you serious? This if the committee that’s supposed to be offering priorities and suggested maps. How can it do anything if its data requests are routinely ignored?

I have spoken with several BRAC members, including some who are generally pro FCPS.

FCPS is not giving them the information they have been asking for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could immediately fix the MS transfer situation by either instituting AAP at all MS so there is no longer a need for MS AAP centers, or by ending the MS AAP program and putting in more sections of honors courses instead. That immediately fixes the situation at Carson, LB Middle, and Rocky Run.

It also fixes Key/Lewis and crowding at Lake Braddock.

If you are in bounds for Key/Lewis and in MS AAP at Lake Braddock, can you stay at LB for HS? I would assume you’d claim the IB to AP transfer reason, but would they allow you to stay at LB, or would you have to go to a different school instead for that (I’d imagine Hayfield is the closest?)

End MS AAP centers, and end IB county-wide, maybe leaving it at 2 HS to allow for students who want it to transfer to those schools. That alone would solve so many problems. No AAP transfers past ES, and far fewer HS transfers to get AP classes instead of IB. You’d still have the language loophole, but perhaps if 20 students at Key/Lewis suddenly expressed interest in French or German or what have you, they would send a teacher over there to fill that need. Equitable access!

In that scenario it would be Hayfield. You wouldn’t be a allowed to stay at LB past middle.

Lake Braddock had 542 transfers into the school last year.

Since almost all of the WSHS AAP kids go back to WSHS, at least some of those 542 kids would have to be Lewis AAP students.

FCPS’s slides say it’s 252 into LBMS and 293 into LBHS. The 252 at the 7-8 level has to be almost all Key MS AAP. Where are the 293 in grades 9-12 coming from? Are they IB transfers from Robinson and/or Annandale? That’s a lot of kids if so. Robinson has a good rep too, about the same as LB. So if kids are transferring out of Robinson for AP at LB, that’s another not great sign for IB.

According to the transfer dashboard, 293 kids transferred into Lake Braddock High School (9th-12th) last year:

From:

Annandale 87 students
Robinson 85 students
West Springfield 39 students
Lewis 32 students
Hayfield 23 students
South County 10 students

Mount Vernon, Centreville, Fairfax, Edison, Woodson, Justice, Falls Church, Westfields, and South Lakes all had low single digit transfers in, likely teachers kids or Ft. Belvoir resident transfers.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2024-25StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

Interestingly, the dashboard shows only 1 Lewis student transferred into WSHS last year. That number is without a doubt much higher.

58 transfers into West Springfield, which is closed to transfers. Their numbers don't add up

From

South County 20 students
Lake Braddock 12 students

Justice, Annandale, Lewis, Edison, WestPo, Mount Vernon, Robinson, Westfield, Hayfield all show as 1 transfer into WSHS, 9 total students transferring in from those schools according to the transfer dashboard.

20+12+9 = 41 transfers into WSHS. The total number of transfers into WSHS according to the dashboard is 58 students. That is a 17 student difference. Why are the numbers so different? Did I miss a school from the map?

Which begs the question, if 20 South County students are transferring into WSHS, why does the school board want to transfer Hunt Valley/WSHS students to South County?

Wouldn't it be simpler and far less disruptive to just send the South County Students back to South County instead of rezoning WSHS?

[Anonymous]

So the committee gets new maps end of September and we see them soon after ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could immediately fix the MS transfer situation by either instituting AAP at all MS so there is no longer a need for MS AAP centers, or by ending the MS AAP program and putting in more sections of honors courses instead. That immediately fixes the situation at Carson, LB Middle, and Rocky Run.

It also fixes Key/Lewis and crowding at Lake Braddock.

If you are in bounds for Key/Lewis and in MS AAP at Lake Braddock, can you stay at LB for HS? I would assume you’d claim the IB to AP transfer reason, but would they allow you to stay at LB, or would you have to go to a different school instead for that (I’d imagine Hayfield is the closest?)

End MS AAP centers, and end IB county-wide, maybe leaving it at 2 HS to allow for students who want it to transfer to those schools. That alone would solve so many problems. No AAP transfers past ES, and far fewer HS transfers to get AP classes instead of IB. You’d still have the language loophole, but perhaps if 20 students at Key/Lewis suddenly expressed interest in French or German or what have you, they would send a teacher over there to fill that need. Equitable access!

In that scenario it would be Hayfield. You wouldn’t be a allowed to stay at LB past middle.

Lake Braddock had 542 transfers into the school last year.

Since almost all of the WSHS AAP kids go back to WSHS, at least some of those 542 kids would have to be Lewis AAP students.

FCPS’s slides say it’s 252 into LBMS and 293 into LBHS. The 252 at the 7-8 level has to be almost all Key MS AAP. Where are the 293 in grades 9-12 coming from? Are they IB transfers from Robinson and/or Annandale? That’s a lot of kids if so. Robinson has a good rep too, about the same as LB. So if kids are transferring out of Robinson for AP at LB, that’s another not great sign for IB.

According to the transfer dashboard, 293 kids transferred into Lake Braddock High School (9th-12th) last year:

From:

Annandale 87 students
Robinson 85 students
West Springfield 39 students
Lewis 32 students
Hayfield 23 students
South County 10 students

Mount Vernon, Centreville, Fairfax, Edison, Woodson, Justice, Falls Church, Westfields, and South Lakes all had low single digit transfers in, likely teachers kids or Ft. Belvoir resident transfers.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2024-25StudentTransfersDashboard/ReadMe

Interestingly, the dashboard shows only 1 Lewis student transferred into WSHS last year. That number is without a doubt much higher.

58 transfers into West Springfield, which is closed to transfers. Their numbers don't add up

From

South County 20 students
Lake Braddock 12 students

Justice, Annandale, Lewis, Edison, WestPo, Mount Vernon, Robinson, Westfield, Hayfield all show as 1 transfer into WSHS, 9 total students transferring in from those schools according to the transfer dashboard.

20+12+9 = 41 transfers into WSHS. The total number of transfers into WSHS according to the dashboard is 58 students. That is a 17 student difference. Why are the numbers so different? Did I miss a school from the map?

If there are fewer than 10 transfers, it’s only listed as 1. So all the schools listed as 1 can equal anywhere from 1-9 students.

[Anonymous]

From the recap:

“The consultant welcomed advisory committee members to the meeting and reminded them of the timeline and the upcoming community meetings that start in mid-October. He shared that at the next advisory committee meeting in early September, they will be sharing out the transportation analysis to help inform the work.”

Transportation analysis, you say…

It is not clear from the recap how the new information on transfers or the transportation piece will affect adjustments to the current proposals or when we see those. Does anyone have any insight?

[Anonymous]

Everyone involved with this sounds incompetent. I think DCUM could have come up with better, more thoughtful maps- for free.

[Anonymous]

The email from Reid switches from first person to third person and back to first person. She said that she took an extra day to work on it. Is she having her goon squad do her editing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the recap:

“The consultant welcomed advisory committee members to the meeting and reminded them of the timeline and the upcoming community meetings that start in mid-October. He shared that at the next advisory committee meeting in early September, they will be sharing out the transportation analysis to help inform the work.”

Transportation analysis, you say…

It is not clear from the recap how the new information on transfers or the transportation piece will affect adjustments to the current proposals or when we see those. Does anyone have any insight?

This has to win the award for the most incompetent process for purporting to address a “problem” ever. Reid is completely out of her depth and it shows.