dislike MoCo and MCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, MCPS was always a substandard educational system - even 36 years ago. It was shocking for me to come from India - a 3rd world country- and see how terrible MCPS was and how dumb the teachers were. Then I also checked out the private schools. And their education sucked worse than MCPS.

I had to become very hands-on with my kids education and put in hours daily to give them a well-rounded education (even when my kids were in the magnet pipeline) outside of the school hours.

Do I dislike that MoCo has become a sanctuary county? For sure. Do I dislike the diversity? Not at all. Were Blacks and Hispanics and poor people always doing terribly? Yes. I would say that MCPS has always given poor education to students - but it is also a reflection of how uneducated the parents are. Most cannot help their kids with ES and MS level Math.

It is just that when a lot of "high achieving" (in comparison to the natives) immigrants, whose families prioritized education, started to do way better than the natives in measurable ways, everyone started talking of achievement gap as a racial injustice. The achievement gap always existed because standards of K-12 education in America has sucked balls for past several decades, and people get by only because of their accent or skin color.

I actually like MoCo. MCPS may be better than many school systems. But, if you think that without your intervention your kid can get a world-class education in MCPS? Nope.

I’m always amused when people from India trash the US educational system. India refuses to participate in international academic assessment test like the PISA because when they do they score absolutely abysmally. The last time India participated they ranked 73rd out of 74 countries; barely beating out Kazakhstan. They were slated to take it in 2022 but pulled out at the last minute.

You have to look at the wealthier areas and compare, not the impoverished area. Their higher level schools are far superior. But, most parents here wouldn't tolerate strict no nonsense teaching.

Majority of India is still impoverished. But, the UMC population has increased rapidly too in recent years, and they are the ones who are comparable to the citizens of wealthy nations. The quality of education for this population is extremely high. You have to open your eyes and see that "Educated In India" folks are going all over the world to become the richest ex-pat community.

NO you have to look at it all, because US schools systems have to educated all kids, impoverished and wealthy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, MCPS was always a substandard educational system - even 36 years ago. It was shocking for me to come from India - a 3rd world country- and see how terrible MCPS was and how dumb the teachers were. Then I also checked out the private schools. And their education sucked worse than MCPS.

I had to become very hands-on with my kids education and put in hours daily to give them a well-rounded education (even when my kids were in the magnet pipeline) outside of the school hours.

Do I dislike that MoCo has become a sanctuary county? For sure. Do I dislike the diversity? Not at all. Were Blacks and Hispanics and poor people always doing terribly? Yes. I would say that MCPS has always given poor education to students - but it is also a reflection of how uneducated the parents are. Most cannot help their kids with ES and MS level Math.

It is just that when a lot of "high achieving" (in comparison to the natives) immigrants, whose families prioritized education, started to do way better than the natives in measurable ways, everyone started talking of achievement gap as a racial injustice. The achievement gap always existed because standards of K-12 education in America has sucked balls for past several decades, and people get by only because of their accent or skin color.

I actually like MoCo. MCPS may be better than many school systems. But, if you think that without your intervention your kid can get a world-class education in MCPS? Nope.

I’m always amused when people from India trash the US educational system. India refuses to participate in international academic assessment test like the PISA because when they do they score absolutely abysmally. The last time India participated they ranked 73rd out of 74 countries; barely beating out Kazakhstan. They were slated to take it in 2022 but pulled out at the last minute.

You have to look at the wealthier areas and compare, not the impoverished area. Their higher level schools are far superior. But, most parents here wouldn't tolerate strict no nonsense teaching.

Oh yeah, well my daddy is better than yours is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, MCPS was always a substandard educational system - even 36 years ago. It was shocking for me to come from India - a 3rd world country- and see how terrible MCPS was and how dumb the teachers were. Then I also checked out the private schools. And their education sucked worse than MCPS.

I had to become very hands-on with my kids education and put in hours daily to give them a well-rounded education (even when my kids were in the magnet pipeline) outside of the school hours.

Do I dislike that MoCo has become a sanctuary county? For sure. Do I dislike the diversity? Not at all. Were Blacks and Hispanics and poor people always doing terribly? Yes. I would say that MCPS has always given poor education to students - but it is also a reflection of how uneducated the parents are. Most cannot help their kids with ES and MS level Math.

It is just that when a lot of "high achieving" (in comparison to the natives) immigrants, whose families prioritized education, started to do way better than the natives in measurable ways, everyone started talking of achievement gap as a racial injustice. The achievement gap always existed because standards of K-12 education in America has sucked balls for past several decades, and people get by only because of their accent or skin color.

I actually like MoCo. MCPS may be better than many school systems. But, if you think that without your intervention your kid can get a world-class education in MCPS? Nope.

I’m always amused when people from India trash the US educational system. India refuses to participate in international academic assessment test like the PISA because when they do they score absolutely abysmally. The last time India participated they ranked 73rd out of 74 countries; barely beating out Kazakhstan. They were slated to take it in 2022 but pulled out at the last minute.

You have to look at the wealthier areas and compare, not the impoverished area. Their higher level schools are far superior. But, most parents here wouldn't tolerate strict no nonsense teaching.

Majority of India is still impoverished. But, the UMC population has increased rapidly too in recent years, and they are the ones who are comparable to the citizens of wealthy nations. The quality of education for this population is extremely high. You have to open your eyes and see that "Educated In India" folks are going all over the world to become the richest ex-pat community.

NO you have to look at it all, because US schools systems have to educated all kids, impoverished and wealthy.

I don’t think we are doing any better than India or any other countries in that regard. Maybe money spent “trying” to educate population category??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It comes down to money. Are people willing to support a supplemental tax to give MCPS the budget they requested from MoCo? Or an increase in property taxes? Are people willing to acknowledge that some kids need remedial help and need a longer school day to accomplish that? Everyone does not enter MCPS with the same educational background—if we acknowledge that, MCPS could provide a better education for everyone.

I can only speak from my perspective of having a child in a non public placement. This placement is viewed as a last resort, detrimental to a child’s academic success, the place no one wants their kid to go. But it’s the right fit for my kid, it’s the place where he is successful and happy, where he’s grown to enjoy school and learning. Keeping him in a mainstream classroom in the name of equity would have been a horrible outcome. Different kids need different things.

We just approved the largest budget increase in MCPS history. How is it that you're honing in on taxpayer willingness as the problem here?

The budget is currently over $3 billion. If that's not enough, what is? And if we fund it at whatever amount above what we're currently funding, what accountability measures are in place to give we, the taxpayers, any semblance of ROI?

Ask yourself what you want for your kid and then assume that 100K others kids should get the same. What would you be willing to pay for that. Speaking only to the PPP who before has a kid in a non-public placement, imaging that their are other kids in the system for who this would also be beneficial. Now imagine the school district having to pay 40-50K for each of those kids tuition, because that's what happens.

People hear 3.4Billion and it seems like a huge number. But divide that by 160K students and its only 21K per student. That's less than tuition at many good private schools in the area, and MCPS has to account for things they don't like transportations, nurses, special education, non-private placement, and the maintenance of 212 buildings.

So the question is what would be a good amount per pupil to spend? 10k, 15k, 18k? And what are you willing to give up to decrease the budget to that?

Ok I’ll bite. No more than 10k per kid. What am I willing to give up? County tax!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, MCPS was always a substandard educational system - even 36 years ago. It was shocking for me to come from India - a 3rd world country- and see how terrible MCPS was and how dumb the teachers were. Then I also checked out the private schools. And their education sucked worse than MCPS.

I had to become very hands-on with my kids education and put in hours daily to give them a well-rounded education (even when my kids were in the magnet pipeline) outside of the school hours.

Do I dislike that MoCo has become a sanctuary county? For sure. Do I dislike the diversity? Not at all. Were Blacks and Hispanics and poor people always doing terribly? Yes. I would say that MCPS has always given poor education to students - but it is also a reflection of how uneducated the parents are. Most cannot help their kids with ES and MS level Math.

It is just that when a lot of "high achieving" (in comparison to the natives) immigrants, whose families prioritized education, started to do way better than the natives in measurable ways, everyone started talking of achievement gap as a racial injustice. The achievement gap always existed because standards of K-12 education in America has sucked balls for past several decades, and people get by only because of their accent or skin color.

I actually like MoCo. MCPS may be better than many school systems. But, if you think that without your intervention your kid can get a world-class education in MCPS? Nope.

I’m always amused when people from India trash the US educational system. India refuses to participate in international academic assessment test like the PISA because when they do they score absolutely abysmally. The last time India participated they ranked 73rd out of 74 countries; barely beating out Kazakhstan. They were slated to take it in 2022 but pulled out at the last minute.

You have to look at the wealthier areas and compare, not the impoverished area. Their higher level schools are far superior. But, most parents here wouldn't tolerate strict no nonsense teaching.

Majority of India is still impoverished. But, the UMC population has increased rapidly too in recent years, and they are the ones who are comparable to the citizens of wealthy nations. The quality of education for this population is extremely high. You have to open your eyes and see that "Educated In India" folks are going all over the world to become the richest ex-pat community.

NO you have to look at it all, because US schools systems have to educated all kids, impoverished and wealthy.

What is the use though of this substandard education that is producing so many functional illiterates? Even among the most privileged - White men - only 30% even go to college. But, your delusions are great for the rest of the world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this forum has arguments about multivariable calculus and still thinks MCPS sucks. It boggles the mind.

MV is important to some kids. If your kids get the opportunity to take it, shouldn't ours. Its not just the MV issue, its the academics. In ES, they don't teach the basics like spelling, grammar and math facts. You have to do it at home (hopefully with the new currriculum changes that will change). They don't use textbooks which is hard for visual learners and some teachers have them and still refuse to hand them out.

None of this is true anymore for ES. I will give you a break on the spelling/grammar since CKLA was new last year (although I think there was at least some of it in Benchmark too) but Eureka has been around for like 5 years and I'm pretty sure Eureka includes math facts practice/sprints almost every single day in most grades!

[Anonymous]

MCPS largely has very strong high schools program offerings. I wouldn’t bother moving if your kids are in or near high school. Hard to beat our high schools. For K-5 or arguably -8, I do think places with (affluent) town-based districts provide an advantage over MCPS (but typically lack diversity and a lot of offerings). Do the other school districts offer 7 periods to middle schoolers with both band and orchestra choices? Most don’t.

I think about moving from time to time but I haven’t found a place with better weather and comparable schools that isn’t more expensive. But I’m interested.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I liked it for awhile, but have completely disliked everything MoCo has done in the last 15 years or so. So we just retired and moved this year. I still have 1 adult child in the area.

Things MoCo/MCPS did: Drove away high tech businesses, built more and more homes with no additional road infrastructure, followed some trendy schooling idea which added nothing (and it all started with Character Counts! which I thought silly) and changing classroom discipline and grad requirements that are dumbing down our kids...

and most of all I hated the TRAFFIC (related to a few things above). It took a half hour to get from one side of Gaithersburg to the other side.

I do not miss any of i now. And I love being able to drive 10 miles in about 15 mins.

Can you share where you moved?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, MCPS was always a substandard educational system - even 36 years ago. It was shocking for me to come from India - a 3rd world country- and see how terrible MCPS was and how dumb the teachers were. Then I also checked out the private schools. And their education sucked worse than MCPS.

I had to become very hands-on with my kids education and put in hours daily to give them a well-rounded education (even when my kids were in the magnet pipeline) outside of the school hours.

Do I dislike that MoCo has become a sanctuary county? For sure. Do I dislike the diversity? Not at all. Were Blacks and Hispanics and poor people always doing terribly? Yes. I would say that MCPS has always given poor education to students - but it is also a reflection of how uneducated the parents are. Most cannot help their kids with ES and MS level Math.

It is just that when a lot of "high achieving" (in comparison to the natives) immigrants, whose families prioritized education, started to do way better than the natives in measurable ways, everyone started talking of achievement gap as a racial injustice. The achievement gap always existed because standards of K-12 education in America has sucked balls for past several decades, and people get by only because of their accent or skin color.

I actually like MoCo. MCPS may be better than many school systems. But, if you think that without your intervention your kid can get a world-class education in MCPS? Nope.

I’m always amused when people from India trash the US educational system. India refuses to participate in international academic assessment test like the PISA because when they do they score absolutely abysmally. The last time India participated they ranked 73rd out of 74 countries; barely beating out Kazakhstan. They were slated to take it in 2022 but pulled out at the last minute.

You have to look at the wealthier areas and compare, not the impoverished area. Their higher level schools are far superior. But, most parents here wouldn't tolerate strict no nonsense teaching.

Majority of India is still impoverished. But, the UMC population has increased rapidly too in recent years, and they are the ones who are comparable to the citizens of wealthy nations. The quality of education for this population is extremely high. You have to open your eyes and see that "Educated In India" folks are going all over the world to become the richest ex-pat community.

NO you have to look at it all, because US schools systems have to educated all kids, impoverished and wealthy.

What is the use though of this substandard education that is producing so many functional illiterates? Even among the most privileged - White men - only 30% even go to college. But, your delusions are great for the rest of the world.

Only 30% go as they aren’t as privileged as you think and many cannot afford it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It comes down to money. Are people willing to support a supplemental tax to give MCPS the budget they requested from MoCo? Or an increase in property taxes? Are people willing to acknowledge that some kids need remedial help and need a longer school day to accomplish that? Everyone does not enter MCPS with the same educational background—if we acknowledge that, MCPS could provide a better education for everyone.

I can only speak from my perspective of having a child in a non public placement. This placement is viewed as a last resort, detrimental to a child’s academic success, the place no one wants their kid to go. But it’s the right fit for my kid, it’s the place where he is successful and happy, where he’s grown to enjoy school and learning. Keeping him in a mainstream classroom in the name of equity would have been a horrible outcome. Different kids need different things.

We just approved the largest budget increase in MCPS history. How is it that you're honing in on taxpayer willingness as the problem here?

The budget is currently over $3 billion. If that's not enough, what is? And if we fund it at whatever amount above what we're currently funding, what accountability measures are in place to give we, the taxpayers, any semblance of ROI?

Ask yourself what you want for your kid and then assume that 100K others kids should get the same. What would you be willing to pay for that. Speaking only to the PPP who before has a kid in a non-public placement, imaging that their are other kids in the system for who this would also be beneficial. Now imagine the school district having to pay 40-50K for each of those kids tuition, because that's what happens.

People hear 3.4Billion and it seems like a huge number. But divide that by 160K students and its only 21K per student. That's less than tuition at many good private schools in the area, and MCPS has to account for things they don't like transportations, nurses, special education, non-private placement, and the maintenance of 212 buildings.

So the question is what would be a good amount per pupil to spend? 10k, 15k, 18k? And what are you willing to give up to decrease the budget to that?

Mcps has it in the budget. These kids are not the issue. Those schools are about $100k plus transportation. Imagine having such special needs that you have to go to one. It means mcps failed then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It comes down to money. Are people willing to support a supplemental tax to give MCPS the budget they requested from MoCo? Or an increase in property taxes? Are people willing to acknowledge that some kids need remedial help and need a longer school day to accomplish that? Everyone does not enter MCPS with the same educational background—if we acknowledge that, MCPS could provide a better education for everyone.

I can only speak from my perspective of having a child in a non public placement. This placement is viewed as a last resort, detrimental to a child’s academic success, the place no one wants their kid to go. But it’s the right fit for my kid, it’s the place where he is successful and happy, where he’s grown to enjoy school and learning. Keeping him in a mainstream classroom in the name of equity would have been a horrible outcome. Different kids need different things.

We just approved the largest budget increase in MCPS history. How is it that you're honing in on taxpayer willingness as the problem here?

The budget is currently over $3 billion. If that's not enough, what is? And if we fund it at whatever amount above what we're currently funding, what accountability measures are in place to give we, the taxpayers, any semblance of ROI?

Ask yourself what you want for your kid and then assume that 100K others kids should get the same. What would you be willing to pay for that. Speaking only to the PPP who before has a kid in a non-public placement, imaging that their are other kids in the system for who this would also be beneficial. Now imagine the school district having to pay 40-50K for each of those kids tuition, because that's what happens.

People hear 3.4Billion and it seems like a huge number. But divide that by 160K students and its only 21K per student. That's less than tuition at many good private schools in the area, and MCPS has to account for things they don't like transportations, nurses, special education, non-private placement, and the maintenance of 212 buildings.

So the question is what would be a good amount per pupil to spend? 10k, 15k, 18k? And what are you willing to give up to decrease the budget to that?

Mcps has it in the budget. These kids are not the issue. Those schools are about $100k plus transportation. Imagine having such special needs that you have to go to one. It means mcps failed then.

No arents particularly the ones complaining about MCPS did the stupidest things are the problem. Maga is the propaganda machine that has destroyed MCPS nothing else but moms 4 Liberty spewing sane crap over and over again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this forum has arguments about multivariable calculus and still thinks MCPS sucks. It boggles the mind.

That's all you think makes a school system not "suck?"

Their kids have access to ap classes and higher level math so they don’t see why other kids might want it too.

You aren’t understanding. The baseline for discussions here assumes a certain level of 1) student ability, and 2) entitlement to advanced classes. This is not the baseline in most other school districts.

[Anonymous]

Everyone should just take a spin through the threads for the other school district forums.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this forum has arguments about multivariable calculus and still thinks MCPS sucks. It boggles the mind.

That's all you think makes a school system not "suck?"

Their kids have access to ap classes and higher level math so they don’t see why other kids might want it too.

You aren’t understanding. The baseline for discussions here assumes a certain level of 1) student ability, and 2) entitlement to advanced classes. This is not the baseline in most other school districts.

Why is it considered an entitlement? How hard is it to teach a college English 101 or Calc 101 course. Can you seriously not find enough competent teachers to do that for students that are otherwise well behaved and motivated? In most colleges and universities those are taught by a TA in a giant lecture hall. Here's the book go do the problems.

I always thought teachers like teaching those classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone should just take a spin through the threads for the other school district forums.

Would you mind sharing the highlights of what you think we'd find if we did, for those of us who don't have time to?