Anyone watching the new Billy Joel biopic?

Anonymous
It's a documentary, not a biopic. There's a difference--look it up.
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Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread

👏👏👏
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It's a documentary, not a biopic. There's a difference--look it up.


Snort. Nah.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.

It does show that you're absolutely hung up on him.
Anonymous
Should you need more Billy Joel content after watching this (as I did), I also recommend the Hit Parade podcast which did a 2-part series on him back in August 2022.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.


If we cancelled all the artists in the world throughout all of history who were flawed people or narcissistic a holes, we would have no beauty, no music, no art and very little laughter.

Read history

Most gifted artists throughout were either bat$#it crazy, deviants or complete narcissistic jerks.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.


His very long standing friendships, ongoing connections with family and his being on good terms with all three former wives suggest he actually is not an a hole. He has an obvious deep capacity for empathy and he owns the ways he fell short. He said as much in the doc. Those are not the features of a narcissist. He did have a dark angry side and he had a streak of self loathing that both contributed to and was likely the result of an alcohol addiction. Which was bad and went on for decades. He's sober now.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I liked it too. Wow I really felt like his first wife was the love of his life. What a lovely person she is. The depth and the sweetness of their connection reminded me of my thirty year marriage. That break up was profoundly sad and it was likely his alcohol use that fueled it. As she said, she could have and did adapt to a significant amount of struggle related to his white hot fame (which she greatly contributed to) and the complexity of their merging work and their marriage as she managed him and the band for years and it obviously was complicated and took a toll. He needed her and then resented her, a common dynamic. But he was years away from facing his destructive drinking and she coukd not deal with it and the effects on her son. It seemed very sad.


Yes, I really appreciated this revisitation of her role in his career. It sounds like she did a great job as a manager.

And, given that his alcoholism destroyed three marriages of his (and he may still be an active alcoholic) it seems like the destruction of their marriage was inevitable.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it gets into how he treated his backing musicians? Seeing as it's produced, obviously it won't.

Watch Hired Guns on Netflix for another perspective.

Still rock and roll to be though.


It didn't get into it much, but it's clear that Billy Joel is terrible at breakups. For me, it was even more heartbreaking how he didn't even say goodbye to the stepson he basically was a father figure for since birth. Broke up with his mom when he was 12 or 13 and never even said a real goodbye.

But, that said, it was made clear that his family members all had major mental illnesses and he likely does too. And he hasn't dealt with it and has been an active alcoholic for almost all of his adult life, so expecting him to behave in an emotionally mature way is unrealistic. His band members knew him better than anybody. They saw how he treated his wives. They could have known what was possible if they'd opened their eyes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.


His very long standing friendships, ongoing connections with family and his being on good terms with all three former wives suggest he actually is not an a hole. He has an obvious deep capacity for empathy and he owns the ways he fell short. He said as much in the doc. Those are not the features of a narcissist. He did have a dark angry side and he had a streak of self loathing that both contributed to and was likely the result of an alcohol addiction. Which was bad and went on for decades. He's sober now.


He’s an A-list Hamptons celebrity and gave millions to his exes. Of course they have nothing bad to say. You all are naive as hell. This is nothing but a filthy rich self-centered sociopath rewriting history before he croaks. Giving up booze at the end of your life doesn’t erase history. R Kelly wrote a lot of catchy songs too.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.


His very long standing friendships, ongoing connections with family and his being on good terms with all three former wives suggest he actually is not an a hole. He has an obvious deep capacity for empathy and he owns the ways he fell short. He said as much in the doc. Those are not the features of a narcissist. He did have a dark angry side and he had a streak of self loathing that both contributed to and was likely the result of an alcohol addiction. Which was bad and went on for decades. He's sober now.


Is he really sober now, though? He didn't say he was in the documentary.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:An amazing tribute to a real talent. He is flawed and human and not perfect but he is amazing. The song Piano Man will be iconic for ages. And I also agree that the fact all his ex wives were available and honest to talk about him speaks volumes ……


Speaks volumes, huh? Just more Hollywood propaganda trying to normalize and glorify hedonism, eroding religion, breaking vows and the casual destruction of families. Oh but he can sing catchy piano songs, what a mensch!

Spare me.

he warned you that he'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints so maybe you can just move on from this thread


Oh wow, so cheeky. It totally absolves him from being a serial drunk driver endangering countless innocent lives, serial adulterer, and for f***ing his best buddy’s wife. The man is a low life narcissistic a**hole.


His very long standing friendships, ongoing connections with family and his being on good terms with all three former wives suggest he actually is not an a hole. He has an obvious deep capacity for empathy and he owns the ways he fell short. He said as much in the doc. Those are not the features of a narcissist. He did have a dark angry side and he had a streak of self loathing that both contributed to and was likely the result of an alcohol addiction. Which was bad and went on for decades. He's sober now.


Is he really sober now, though? He didn't say he was in the documentary.


I got vibes that he is not.

I also felt like he was playing with words when he said he had "never gotten a DUI." I think that is a case of his fame buying him out of getting a DUI charge.
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