Engineering + Pre-Med

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't take orgo or quantum.

- ME

+1, I’m not even sure why you’d need either.

+1. One or more of posters think what they are talking about but really don't.

Orgo and quantum are not needed in some engineering fields but they are needed in materials and chemE at DS school. Who cares? The point of many here is that engineering and premed can overlap courses. BME and molecular E are very relevant to modern medicine so no surprise many students do both. Some med schools have added some basic engineering to the med school curriculum. More will follow as surgery and radiology become more and more reliant on engineering technology.

No one denied that science fields can have overlap; it’s the insistence that engineers consistently take quantum or Orgo that’s strange.

[Anonymous]

A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't take orgo or quantum.

- ME[/quote]
+1, I’m not even sure why you’d need either. [/quote]

You would not need orgo for mechE of course not but quantum is required for mechE and materials E at DC’s school and other top ones too. It is a sophomore course along with thermodynamics, considered basic. Some on here are either very old or very narrow minded engineers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some public universities accept a lot of AP credits so it might theoretically be possible. But otherwise I think it is very unlikely one can graduate in 4 years while doing both engineering and pre-med.

And as an aside, duel majoring in two very demanding majors is a very grim way to spend 18-22.

Almost no AP accepted at DDs school and she and the others are all doing just fine. Their T10 is extremely supportive. They all are in the same boat and do not consider their lives or goals grim. They do have time for music/theater and other nonstem clubs. Premed is not a major: BME is the major and premed is not more than a couple extra courses in addition to BME.

Good lord. Your daughter’s school represents 1 school. She hasn’t even accomplished anything yet. Stop talking in absolute terms.

Well here is another: Agree premed is not a second major with engineering it is just a path that adds a few classes. DD at an ivy in engineering but not premed. She is ChemE-molecular engineering and about half of the students her major are premeds. O-Chem is required. Mine is not premed and the only classes the premed engineers have to take in addition to this engineering major are 2-3 semesters of Bio and psychology. The required engineering statistics course counts for med school; gen chem, Ochem, biochem, physics and calc through diffEQ are all part of the engineering major. They all do research during the semester, premeds and non, and the premeds seem to fit in clinical stuff in summer, most of the rest aim industry or phd so they do industry internships or more research in the summer. Consulting is the "backup job" joke. The ivy is very supportive and the Med and phD matriculation stats are impressive. Many students pick colleges and majors within the college to be challenged.

Ma'am, I think you are all wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

I think it’d be a straight up lie to suggest this is the norm. Yes, top departments often require harder, unusual, theoretical, and more winding paths than most departments; doesn’t make it a norm. You don’t need it as a chemical engineer; it wouldn’t make sense for someone to hire an engineer to do org chem when you can hire really any chem grad on the block, who will be better and more trained to do so.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't take orgo or quantum.

- ME[/quote]
+1, I’m not even sure why you’d need either. [/quote]

You would not need orgo for mechE of course not but quantum is required for mechE and materials E at DC’s school and other top ones too. It is a sophomore course along with thermodynamics, considered basic. Some on here are either very old or very narrow minded engineers. [/quote]
Name a quantum system mechanical engineers engage with. Seriously, this is such a dumb thing to suggest, especially Mechanical engineers (who work on large systems) would need to have any knowledge in. Quantum makes more sense for EE and that’s really only if their dream career is quantum computing or something excessively research-based that requires a PhD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

What types? These are not necessary for any engineering career. More like fun curriculum quirks to challenge students, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually a practical skill.

I could assign physics students a ton of number theory, little of it will be any useful, but it’d be a cool assignment nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A thread of ChemE students and grads explaining that you don’t need Ochem at all: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChemicalEngineering/comments/ji309v/is_organic_chemistry_course_important_for/. Ochem has really nothing to do with what an engineer does, at all. Thermodynamics is extremely important, however.

That’s all well and good but there are many chemE programs that are more molecular (hopkins) and it is needed. For BME as already stated by multiple people it is strongly encouraged or required even if not premed.

They were not required when I went to school and, as PP stated, maybe I am too old and narrow minded. My kid who was ChemE (BS) and BioE (Phd) didn't take those courses either.

MIT, CMU, GT and many others list Ochem as required for ChemE and materials or molecular, and either strongly encouraged or required for BME. Pretty sure DCUM can agree these are top engineering places.

Goodness the whole point is that for SOME types of engineering, specifically those that relate to medicine the most, Ochem is often required as are physics and many other premed reqs hence there is a lot of overlap and doing premed and engineering in 4 yrs is completely feasible and common.

Many of us have students at various great schools currently doing it or we did it ourselves.

Are you an engineer? What type?

[Anonymous]

As a chemist, the thought of taking Ochem without taking any applied courses afterwards that need the ochem, sounds extraordinarily useless.

[Anonymous]

Most Materials programs are over glorified chemistry majors, just specialized in an area of chemistry.

[Anonymous]

It’s a good idea for a premed to take more than 1 semester of ochem, which isn’t typical of any engineering degree I know of.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I didn't take orgo or quantum.

- ME[/quote]
+1, I’m not even sure why you’d need either. [/quote]

You would not need orgo for mechE of course not but quantum is required for mechE and materials E at DC’s school and other top ones too. It is a sophomore course along with thermodynamics, considered basic. [b]Some on here are either very old or very narrow minded engineers. [/b][/quote]

Really PP? Was that necessary?