Anyone else's pool cracking down on "lightning" -- making people get out of the water at the slightest hint?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My town pool did this in the 80s. It’s called safety.

Everyone understands the concept of getting out for lightening, the question is: how does your pool handle it? Lifeguard discretion or automatic system? Out of the water or out of the pool area? 30 min or 45? Are people more bothered this summer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not the rule that is causing the annoyance but the overabundance of thunderstorms this year. Every single freaking day. It is too much.

It’s not uncommon to have late afternoon storms - tho I agree they seem more severe… but at our pool people are bothered by the automatic system which is more strict - sometimes going off when there’s no visible clouds or audible thunder, because it detected lightening 10 miles away. Personally, I understand how lightening works and that it can move quickly, but I understand people’s frustration that a quick moving storm that went north of the district could shut down the pool for an extended period of time even tho it’s leaving quickly and did not have lightening near our pool… under the lifeguard system we would be unaffected.

I’m also amazed that people are frustrated by the new requirement that we leave the whole pool area not just got out of the area. I understand it, I’m curious about what other pools do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm torn on it--they're using some automatic system, so no one can argue. On the one hand, lightning is real and dangerous. on the other hand, it's closing a lot.

Won't crack down on nasty swimwear, will crack down on weather. :smdh:

What is your expectation? The way warning systems work for lightning strikes and especially in the U.S. where insurance companies dictate acceptable risk, only an infinitesimal risk is allowed. It’s the same reason we put kids in car seats and put on seat belts every single time. Most of the time they do nothing to protect us, until the one time they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm torn on it--they're using some automatic system, so no one can argue. On the one hand, lightning is real and dangerous. on the other hand, it's closing a lot.

Won't crack down on nasty swimwear, will crack down on weather. :smdh:

What is your expectation? The way warning systems work for lightning strikes and especially in the U.S. where insurance companies dictate acceptable risk, only an infinitesimal risk is allowed. It’s the same reason we put kids in car seats and put on seat belts every single time. Most of the time they do nothing to protect us, until the one time they do.

*sigh*

It’s like you didn’t bother to read…

[Anonymous]

If they hear it everyone out for 15 min

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If they hear it everyone out for 15 min

So based on the lifeguards ear?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These people complaining about a pool closing out of PRECAUTION when an actual threat is identified were probably also screaming about why the Texas camps weren't more prepared to evacuate during a flash flood warning. Except one scenario inconveniences them.

I don't think the two things are related.

Its not wanting to be inconvenienced during a weather threat.... people ignore warnings all the time. They scream when something bad finally happens.

I think audible thunder is too conservative a standard when it captures thunder 10-20 miles away with no evidence of approach. Storms are not that unpredictable.

Here, moron:

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-myths

Cape Canaveral Air Force Station/Kennedy Space Center has documented lightning traveling almost 90 miles outward in the thunderstorm anvil.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not the rule that is causing the annoyance but the overabundance of thunderstorms this year. Every single freaking day. It is too much.

It’s not uncommon to have late afternoon storms - tho I agree they seem more severe… but at our pool people are bothered by the automatic system which is more strict - [/b]sometimes going off when there’s no visible clouds or audible thunder, because it detected lightening 10 miles away.[b] Personally, I understand how lightening works and that it can move quickly, but I understand people’s frustration that a quick moving storm that went north of the district could shut down the pool for an extended period of time even tho it’s leaving quickly and did not have lightening near our pool… under the lifeguard system we would be unaffected.

I’m also amazed that people are frustrated by the new requirement that we leave the whole pool area not just got out of the area. I understand it, I’m curious about what other pools do.

The pool is not closing because someone is worried that the storm is going to race 10 miles before people have time to get out. It’s closing because lightning can strike 10 miles away from a storm, even when the skies are sunny and clear. This is where the phrase “bolt from the blue” comes from. It describes a lightning strike that goes sideways from the storm, travels far, and then hits the ground miles away.

Is it unlikely? Yes. If you categorize risk by two metrics, 1) how likely, and 2) how catastrophic, blisters from hiking are high probability, low severity. Head injuries from MMA is medium probability, high severity. Lightning strikes are very low probability, high severity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not the rule that is causing the annoyance but the overabundance of thunderstorms this year. Every single freaking day. It is too much.

It’s not uncommon to have late afternoon storms - tho I agree they seem more severe… but at our pool people are bothered by the automatic system which is more strict - sometimes going off when there’s no visible clouds or audible thunder, because it detected lightening 10 miles away. Personally, I understand how lightening works and that it can move quickly, but I understand people’s frustration that a quick moving storm that went north of the district could shut down the pool for an extended period of time even tho it’s leaving quickly and did not have lightening near our pool… under the lifeguard system we would be unaffected.

I’m also amazed that people are frustrated by the new requirement that we leave the whole pool area not just got out of the area. I understand it, I’m curious about what other pools do.

Leave the area as in move to an actual building?

My kids were lifeguards at Chesterbrook for years, and the moron that manages the pool used to have them sit under the covered deck/cupola. Since my kids are not morons, they would go sit in their cars or the locker rooms (which is the only fully enclosed building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not the rule that is causing the annoyance but the overabundance of thunderstorms this year. Every single freaking day. It is too much.

It’s not uncommon to have late afternoon storms - tho I agree they seem more severe… but at our pool people are bothered by the automatic system which is more strict - [/b]sometimes going off when there’s no visible clouds or audible thunder, because it detected lightening 10 miles away.[b] Personally, I understand how lightening works and that it can move quickly, but I understand people’s frustration that a quick moving storm that went north of the district could shut down the pool for an extended period of time even tho it’s leaving quickly and did not have lightening near our pool… under the lifeguard system we would be unaffected.

I’m also amazed that people are frustrated by the new requirement that we leave the whole pool area not just got out of the area. I understand it, I’m curious about what other pools do.

The pool is not closing because someone is worried that the storm is going to race 10 miles before people have time to get out. It’s closing because lightning can strike 10 miles away from a storm, even when the skies are sunny and clear. This is where the phrase “bolt from the blue” comes from. It describes a lightning strike that goes sideways from the storm, travels far, and then hits the ground miles away.

Is it unlikely? Yes. If you categorize risk by two metrics, 1) how likely, and 2) how catastrophic, blisters from hiking are high probability, low severity. Head injuries from MMA is medium probability, high severity. Lightning strikes are very low probability, high severity.

Source

https://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svrwx101/lightning/faq/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people complaining about a pool closing out of PRECAUTION when an actual threat is identified were probably also screaming about why the Texas camps weren't more prepared to evacuate during a flash flood warning. Except one scenario inconveniences them.

I don't think the two things are related.

Its not wanting to be inconvenienced during a weather threat.... people ignore warnings all the time. They scream when something bad finally happens.

I think audible thunder is too conservative a standard when it captures thunder 10-20 miles away with no evidence of approach. Storms are not that unpredictable.

Here, moron:

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-myths

Cape Canaveral Air Force Station/Kennedy Space Center has documented lightning traveling almost 90 miles outward in the thunderstorm anvil.

no need to call names, we're talking about pool policies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not the rule that is causing the annoyance but the overabundance of thunderstorms this year. Every single freaking day. It is too much.

It’s not uncommon to have late afternoon storms - tho I agree they seem more severe… but at our pool people are bothered by the automatic system which is more strict - sometimes going off when there’s no visible clouds or audible thunder, because it detected lightening 10 miles away. Personally, I understand how lightening works and that it can move quickly, but I understand people’s frustration that a quick moving storm that went north of the district could shut down the pool for an extended period of time even tho it’s leaving quickly and did not have lightening near our pool… under the lifeguard system we would be unaffected.

I’m also amazed that people are frustrated by the new requirement that we leave the whole pool area not just got out of the area. I understand it, I’m curious about what other pools do.

Leave the area as in move to an actual building?

My kids were lifeguards at Chesterbrook for years, and the moron that manages the pool used to have them sit under the covered deck/cupola. Since my kids are not morons, they would go sit in their cars or the locker rooms (which is the only fully enclosed building.

There's a fenced area around the pool and they just say you have to leave that area. There's no much elsewhere to go, so it is kind of uncomfortable. There's a flight of stairs people sit on, or they go wait in their cars, or just give up and go home. In the past, it was bsaed on lifeguard discretion and you could just go and sit on your chair and have an ice cream or whatever, while you wait.

Interestingly, I have heard thunder and the alarm hasn't gone off and the lifeguards dont' lift a finger. I think the system has advantages, including removing the power of discretion from lifeguards who I'm sure, if it's left up to them, get a lot of nonsense if they hear thunder and no on else does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people complaining about a pool closing out of PRECAUTION when an actual threat is identified were probably also screaming about why the Texas camps weren't more prepared to evacuate during a flash flood warning. Except one scenario inconveniences them.

I don't think the two things are related.

Its not wanting to be inconvenienced during a weather threat.... people ignore warnings all the time. They scream when something bad finally happens.

I think audible thunder is too conservative a standard when it captures thunder 10-20 miles away with no evidence of approach. Storms are not that unpredictable.

Here, moron:

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-myths

Cape Canaveral Air Force Station/Kennedy Space Center has documented lightning traveling almost 90 miles outward in the thunderstorm anvil.

no need to call names, we're talking about pool policies

Meanwhile, OP is on here calling 15-year-old trained lifeguards “bimbo’s”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people complaining about a pool closing out of PRECAUTION when an actual threat is identified were probably also screaming about why the Texas camps weren't more prepared to evacuate during a flash flood warning. Except one scenario inconveniences them.

I don't think the two things are related.

Its not wanting to be inconvenienced during a weather threat.... people ignore warnings all the time. They scream when something bad finally happens.

I think audible thunder is too conservative a standard when it captures thunder 10-20 miles away with no evidence of approach. Storms are not that unpredictable.

Here, moron:

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-myths

Cape Canaveral Air Force Station/Kennedy Space Center has documented lightning traveling almost 90 miles outward in the thunderstorm anvil.

no need to call names, we're talking about pool policies

You're right. Pet peeve and I read too many stupid comments on DCUM, now I'm easily triggered. Time for a hiatus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people complaining about a pool closing out of PRECAUTION when an actual threat is identified were probably also screaming about why the Texas camps weren't more prepared to evacuate during a flash flood warning. Except one scenario inconveniences them.

I don't think the two things are related.

Its not wanting to be inconvenienced during a weather threat.... people ignore warnings all the time. They scream when something bad finally happens.

I think audible thunder is too conservative a standard when it captures thunder 10-20 miles away with no evidence of approach. Storms are not that unpredictable.

Here, moron:

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-myths

Cape Canaveral Air Force Station/Kennedy Space Center has documented lightning traveling almost 90 miles outward in the thunderstorm anvil.

no need to call names, we're talking about pool policies

Meanwhile, OP is on here calling 15-year-old trained lifeguards “bimbo’s”.

Maybe they are bimbos?