Stats for Ivy?

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Anonymous wrote:The stats and ECs are good. But if you are looking to SCEA/ED to an Ivy, don't do HYP unless seriously hooked. Don't do Dartmouth unless you go to a feeder school. Don't do Penn if you are a rando from the mid-Atlantic, unless coming from a feeder school in PA or NYC.

So for Ivies, that leaves Columbia - which is certainly a choice today. And Brown and Cornell, which are the only two schools you should consider for an early app to an Ivy from an unhooked student with the stats.

The great thing about America is that there are a lot other schools outside the Ivies that are great. And where an ED app might be helpful.

Are there any feeder schools (public or private) for Dartmouth in the DMV? I don't hear about many kids going there.

I looked into Dartmouth admissions bc I thought it'd be a great fit for one of my kids. But it's a completely useless school for unhooked high stats kids. They seem to take a lot of students from NYC privates and New England boarding schools. The rest of the class is athletes, URM, and FGLI. That's it. There is zero space for anyone else. Pointless app if you're not in one of those boxes. Didn't bother applying. And there is no school in the DMV that sends a significant amount of students to Dartmouth.

St. Albans send 2-3/year out of 70. 13 over the past 5 years per their website: https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans
That's as much of a feeder as you get.

Sure, but I'm certain that includes Jake Tapper's family and the offspring of other famous DC alumni. Dartmouth really isn't a school for unhooked smart kids. And definitely not a place where anyone unhooked should direct an ED app, which was the original question. Go for it in RD. I think having a decent meal is a more sensible use of $85, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. Dartmouth is happy to take your app fee.

Agreee. But just need to clarify that Tapper's 2 kids are not at the Cathedral schools.

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Expand more about his interests. This application is incredibly generic thus far, and it seems like the kind of DMV kid that would get rejected by all the Ivies because they blend in with the rest of the pack.

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Anonymous wrote:Is 36 ACT rare? DCUM always says once you cross a threshold, the score doesn’t matter. 36 seems to be the only thing here that distinguishes OP from many many public school high GPA kids.

Not as rare as 1600 SAT. Most concordances treat 1570+ as equivalent to 36.

If mine has the following stats, what chances for ivies?

If change the stats to:

4.0 UW/ 4.8 W
33 ACT
Student Gov leadership
Paper editor
Part-time job for 3 years
Two internships
“Pointy” interest
A few clubs, no awards besides volunteer hours award.

33 ACT is a good score, crosses the threshold. Shouldn't it be enough?

Conventional wisdom is 34

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stats and ECs are good. But if you are looking to SCEA/ED to an Ivy, don't do HYP unless seriously hooked. Don't do Dartmouth unless you go to a feeder school. Don't do Penn if you are a rando from the mid-Atlantic, unless coming from a feeder school in PA or NYC.

So for Ivies, that leaves Columbia - which is certainly a choice today. And Brown and Cornell, which are the only two schools you should consider for an early app to an Ivy from an unhooked student with the stats.

The great thing about America is that there are a lot other schools outside the Ivies that are great. And where an ED app might be helpful.

Are there any feeder schools (public or private) for Dartmouth in the DMV? I don't hear about many kids going there.

I looked into Dartmouth admissions bc I thought it'd be a great fit for one of my kids. But it's a completely useless school for unhooked high stats kids. They seem to take a lot of students from NYC privates and New England boarding schools. The rest of the class is athletes, URM, and FGLI. That's it. There is zero space for anyone else. Pointless app if you're not in one of those boxes. Didn't bother applying. And there is no school in the DMV that sends a significant amount of students to Dartmouth.

St. Albans send 2-3/year out of 70. 13 over the past 5 years per their website: https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans
That's as much of a feeder as you get.

STA is filled with extremely connected children. If your kid is unhooked, they won't fare any better. In fact, your kid's odds might be better at a DCPS school, where they can easily get straight A's and maybe be 1 of 5 realistic applicants to HYPSM rather than competing against half the graduating class.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the better question is does your child actually want to go to a particular Ivy because it's their top choice or simply will any Ivy will do for the perceived prestige, car sticker and golden ticket?

Ha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stats and ECs are good. But if you are looking to SCEA/ED to an Ivy, don't do HYP unless seriously hooked. Don't do Dartmouth unless you go to a feeder school. Don't do Penn if you are a rando from the mid-Atlantic, unless coming from a feeder school in PA or NYC.

So for Ivies, that leaves Columbia - which is certainly a choice today. And Brown and Cornell, which are the only two schools you should consider for an early app to an Ivy from an unhooked student with the stats.

The great thing about America is that there are a lot other schools outside the Ivies that are great. And where an ED app might be helpful.

Are there any feeder schools (public or private) for Dartmouth in the DMV? I don't hear about many kids going there.

I looked into Dartmouth admissions bc I thought it'd be a great fit for one of my kids. But it's a completely useless school for unhooked high stats kids. They seem to take a lot of students from NYC privates and New England boarding schools. The rest of the class is athletes, URM, and FGLI. That's it. There is zero space for anyone else. Pointless app if you're not in one of those boxes. Didn't bother applying. And there is no school in the DMV that sends a significant amount of students to Dartmouth.

St. Albans send 2-3/year out of 70. 13 over the past 5 years per their website: https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans
That's as much of a feeder as you get.

Sure, but I'm certain that includes Jake Tapper's family and the offspring of other famous DC alumni. Dartmouth really isn't a school for unhooked smart kids. And definitely not a place where anyone unhooked should direct an ED app, which was the original question. Go for it in RD. I think having a decent meal is a more sensible use of $85, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. Dartmouth is happy to take your app fee.

Agreee. But just need to clarify that Tapper's 2 kids are not at the Cathedral schools.

And his kid is headed to Michigan to row for the crew team.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The stats and ECs are good. But if you are looking to SCEA/ED to an Ivy, don't do HYP unless seriously hooked. Don't do Dartmouth unless you go to a feeder school. Don't do Penn if you are a rando from the mid-Atlantic, unless coming from a feeder school in PA or NYC.

So for Ivies, that leaves Columbia - which is certainly a choice today. And Brown and Cornell, which are the only two schools you should consider for an early app to an Ivy from an unhooked student with the stats.

The great thing about America is that there are a lot other schools outside the Ivies that are great. And where an ED app might be helpful.

Are there any feeder schools (public or private) for Dartmouth in the DMV? I don't hear about many kids going there.

I looked into Dartmouth admissions bc I thought it'd be a great fit for one of my kids. But it's a completely useless school for unhooked high stats kids. They seem to take a lot of students from NYC privates and New England boarding schools. The rest of the class is athletes, URM, and FGLI. That's it. There is zero space for anyone else. Pointless app if you're not in one of those boxes. Didn't bother applying. And there is no school in the DMV that sends a significant amount of students to Dartmouth.

St. Albans send 2-3/year out of 70. 13 over the past 5 years per their website: https://www.stalbansschool.org/about/meet-st-albans
That's as much of a feeder as you get.

Many of the STA boys going to Dartmouth are recruited athletes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the better question is does your child actually want to go to a particular Ivy because it's their top choice or simply will any Ivy will do for the perceived prestige, car sticker and golden ticket?

Ha

Why does that trigger you? Driving around the DMV I see a ton of UVA, VT, JMU, W&M, Michigan, Univ MD, Elon, NE, etc. car stickers. Are people that attend Ivies not supposed to display their school pride? Is there a certain ranking cutoff where you are not allowed to put a car sticker on your car?

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Anonymous wrote:Expand more about his interests. This application is incredibly generic thus far, and it seems like the kind of DMV kid that would get rejected by all the Ivies because they blend in with the rest of the pack.

OP did mention there is a "pointy interest" which we don't know what it is.
Otherwise yeah is dime a dozen generic DMV "well rounded" kid.

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Cornell or Dartmouth would be much easier

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is 36 ACT rare? DCUM always says once you cross a threshold, the score doesn’t matter. 36 seems to be the only thing here that distinguishes OP from many many public school high GPA kids.

Not as rare as 1600 SAT. Most concordances treat 1570+ as equivalent to 36.

If mine has the following stats, what chances for ivies?

If change the stats to:

4.0 UW/ 4.8 W
33 ACT
Student Gov leadership
Paper editor
Part-time job for 3 years
Two internships
“Pointy” interest
A few clubs, no awards besides volunteer hours award.

33 ACT is a good score, crosses the threshold. Shouldn't it be enough?

A 33 is low for all private T25s

[Anonymous]

If you just want to get into an Ivy, apply ED to Cornell Human Ecology or ILR. You likely won't, because, although technically an Ivy, it isn't culturally.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just want to get into an Ivy, apply ED to Cornell Human Ecology or ILR. You likely won't, because, although technically an Ivy, it isn't culturally.

The easier admit for ILR HuEco is for NY in-state residents. For OOS the acceptance rate is lower.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the better question is does your child actually want to go to a particular Ivy because it's their top choice or simply will any Ivy will do for the perceived prestige, car sticker and golden ticket?

Ha

Why does that trigger you? Driving around the DMV I see a ton of UVA, VT, JMU, W&M, Michigan, Univ MD, Elon, NE, etc. car stickers. Are people that attend Ivies not supposed to display their school pride? Is there a certain ranking cutoff where you are not allowed to put a car sticker on your car?

No one puts an ivy sticker on the car unless you are completely clueless. So tacky. Vanderbilt? Yes. Michigan? Yes. UCLA? Yes. Cal? Yes. Cornell? Maybe. All other ivies? NO NO NO

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts on applying to an Ivy ED with these stats?

4.0 UW/ 4.8 W
36 AP
Student Gov leadership
Paper editor
Part-time job for 3 years
Two internships
“Pointy” interest
A few clubs, no awards besides volunteer hours award.

Any state or national EC's or awards? May be ok if a top private but otherwise probably need more.