MAGA: what’s the plan after everyone is deported?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious as to what the plan is after Trump has deported everyone. How will our economy function?

Who will work in agriculture? Meat packing? Service industry? I see a lot about “immigrants” being slave labor and that wages will have to go up to attract US citizens to these jobs. But that will lead to a huge increase in prices. And will US citizens move to where these jobs are located? Or is the idea that the government will subsidize the cost of relocating the jobs to where the people who currently rely on government handouts currently live?

What’s the plan?

Meatpacking used to be a stable, middle-class union job, with multiple generations of families working at the same plant. In 1960, the industry was 95% unionized, paying wages that were comparable to those in the auto and steel industries. Meatpacking was skilled labor. A meatpacker was trained like an old-fashioned butcher to take an animal from slaughter to final cuts.

In the 1960s, a company called IBP (Iowa Beef Packers) figured out that you didn't need skilled labor if you didn't care about your workers. Instead of workers doing a variety of jobs, IBP had workers do one cut all day long, maybe separate the hind quarter from the carcass, or slice a single cut of steak.

Meatpacking wages across the industry stayed high through the early 1980s, but then started to fall, as more companies adopted the IBP method. After all, anyone could be trained to do a single cut. By the mid-80s, wages had plunged and unions were disappearing. It was a race to the bottom and meatpacking was quickly becoming the worst job in America.

One reason it was now so awful, was that the IBP method resulted in a huge rise in repetitive stress injuries and debilitating knife cuts caused by inattention and fatigue. Doing one cut all day long on a speeding factory line was good for corporate profits but disastrously bad for actual humans.

Today, Places like Tyson Chicken and Smithfield Ham need an endless supply of 3rd world immigrants to keep wages low and unions busted, but also because it's a job that destroys the human body and spirit. Even if you're not injured, the work is so grueling that most immigrants can only do it for a couple of years before they move on. That's why you'll see that the ethnic composition of rural meatpacking towns goes through successive waves of foreigners-- Mexicans, Somalis, Sudanese, Guatemalans, Haitians-- as each group gets brought in and burned out, while management goes looking for another group of suckers.

Shutting down the immigration pipeline and deporting the illegals will go a long way to restoring the balance between workers and corporations. Likewise, we need to go back to a system with lots of small-scale regional meat processors staffed by skilled workers, something that will require breaking up these abusive corporations and overhauling the USDA inspection program.

Yes, prices of meat will certainly rise, but you already shouldn't be eating factory-farmed meat and you shouldn't be patronizing corporations that are actively wrecking America.

Yes, those meat factories are disgusting. I won't link to it because it's so upsetting but I read an article about slaughterhouse workers and PTSD. Nobody should work in these conditions.

[Anonymous]

The plan is for MAGA who will soon be kicked if welfare and Medicaid to take over these jobs for minimum wage. Bootstraps, MAGA, bootstraps.

[Anonymous]

You are going to have a cute WASP in a polo shirt and khakis doing your mulch

😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The plan is for MAGA who will soon be kicked if welfare and Medicaid to take over these jobs for minimum wage. Bootstraps, MAGA, bootstraps.

It’s sad that the MAGAs are so low quality that they need DEI for these jobs, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who will pick our cotton??!!?

That’s a flippant response but doesn’t actually address any way forward.

Btw, machines harvest cotton so no need for anyone to do that anymore.

The questions OP posed are the same as those who asked who will pick cotton. The answer is the same: machines, other technology, or *gasp* actually paying Americans living wages.

America will be just fine.

Great. How do we get from where we are today to this nirvana you describe?

MAGA seems to believe magic is at play here? When will corporations start to pay these living wages you speak of? In 2025? 2026? And how will this adjustment take place? There are almost 500,000 unfilled manufacturing jobs in the U.S. right now. What policies will be enacted to fill the jobs we already have?

Here's the magic. Cut off your government subsidies. You'll get back to work instead of living on the tax payer dole.

I know what 'Magic" you democrats were implementing... two tracks.

Your nirvana was whining about wages while importing underground labor that doesn't pay taxes and undercuts those working with "lving wages" with two set of rules: rules for those who follow the law and fewer rules for those who don't. That makes zero sense.

Try reality sometime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The plan is for MAGA who will soon be kicked if welfare and Medicaid to take over these jobs for minimum wage. Bootstraps, MAGA, bootstraps.

It’s sad that the MAGAs are so low quality that they need DEI for these jobs, too.

DEI is black market under the table labor, ignoring rules for whole groups of workers, setting up subsidies for your preferred classes with no regular auditing and allowing the grift to continue through a highly progressive tax scheme where half the country pays no income taxes. Not anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So migrants only work low skill, low wage jobs that no American can do? This might be the most bigoted perspective I’ve heard on DVUM and that’s saying a lot.

Please. Migrants who can work in high wage jobs will get H1B visas and enter the country legally. We both know that's not what this thread is about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So migrants only work low skill, low wage jobs that no American can do? This might be the most bigoted perspective I’ve heard on DVUM and that’s saying a lot.

Please. Migrants who can work in high wage jobs will get H1B visas and enter the country legally. We both know that's not what this thread is about.

Correct, this thread is about the very soon to be need for more H-2A and B visas to be available for legal immigrants to fill the void left behind by deported undocumented immigrants.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious as to what the plan is after Trump has deported everyone. How will our economy function?

Who will work in agriculture? Meat packing? Service industry? I see a lot about “immigrants” being slave labor and that wages will have to go up to attract US citizens to these jobs. But that will lead to a huge increase in prices. And will US citizens move to where these jobs are located? Or is the idea that the government will subsidize the cost of relocating the jobs to where the people who currently rely on government handouts currently live?

What’s the plan?

I'm not speaking for "MAGA" and I'm not sure why the question was posed solely to them as they likely haven't thought that far ahead but I think the obvious answer lies within our decades long need for immigration law reform.

If and when we have a need immigrants to fill voids in our workforce, we need a more direct pathway to fill those voids through work visas geared towards all industries. This is referred to as legal immigration or just immigration by many. Filling these voids with undocumented immigrants awaiting asylum hearings in a post 9/11 world is nuts but that's essential what we've been doing for a long time.

OP here.
The question was addressed to MAGA because MAGA is not interested in immigration reform. Or really anything that I can discern. That’s why I asked the question. It’s a genuine one.

For example. Trump is not using ICE to bully states and employers to use e-verify. Why not? If the point is to make sure everyone working here is doing so legally, why not send ICE in to check paperwork?

Trump cut minimum wage requirements for people working on federal contracts. How does that contribute to “living wages” for Americans?

But MAGA is looking for a huge shift to the economy. So fine. How will it happen? What’s the plan?

First they will get the poor brown people out...eventually it will be the poor whites who voted for their dictator and they will be shocked that he turned on them. Spoiler alert he hates his base. He is here to help the wealthy become wealthier-the big beautiful grift I mean bill.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-federal-partners-arrest-nearly-1500-illegal-aliens-massachusetts-during

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The plan is for MAGA who will soon be kicked if welfare and Medicaid to take over these jobs for minimum wage. Bootstraps, MAGA, bootstraps.

Yup, can't wait for those obese MAGAs who sit around all day collecting "disability" have to go to work in some awful factory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obama deported more than Trump.

Biden deported more than Trump.

The country is still functioning.

What am I missing?

Is anyone going to answer this?

Can you be passionate about a living wage but justify illegal immigration with the premise that we need them to take bad, low paying jobs with no benefits or protections?

The position of the Democratic Party is that corporations should provide a living wage with safety and environmental protections. Corporations which traditionally supported the GOP (which now governs all three branches) don’t want to provide this and would prefer low wages with illegal immigrants to ensure large profit margins.

Has Trump used his bully pulpit to address this?

But putting that aside is MAGA prepared to pay more for housing and groceries to support those living wage jobs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We never had farmers or dairy workers before illegal immigration.

Well there WAS a shortage hence the need for migrant labor. You don’t work on a farm do you? You obviously don’t know anything about the US At economy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We never had farmers or dairy workers before illegal immigration.

Well there WAS a shortage hence the need for migrant labor. You don’t work on a farm do you? You obviously don’t know anything about the US At economy.

Yes, the “shortage” was for cheap labor.

[Anonymous]

They will pay $1000/child and your teens and college bound kids will be working in factories and as farmhands and other developing country jobs because college will be unaffordable to 90% of the population and an educated society knows that MAGA only existed because if stupidity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Genuinely curious as to what the plan is after Trump has deported everyone. How will our economy function?

Who will work in agriculture? Meat packing? Service industry? I see a lot about “immigrants” being slave labor and that wages will have to go up to attract US citizens to these jobs. But that will lead to a huge increase in prices. And will US citizens move to where these jobs are located? Or is the idea that the government will subsidize the cost of relocating the jobs to where the people who currently rely on government handouts currently live?

What’s the plan?

Not to base the American economy on illegal immigrants?

Shocking I know.